5212A deliveries

[rw2008]

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

I like this piece a lot....I just can't imagine prices sticking where they are now though.

Personally reminds me of the 5524. I expect prices to come back in time.

Same

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

I like this piece a lot....I just can't imagine prices sticking where they are now though.

Personally reminds me of the 5524. I expect prices to come back in time.

Someone told me prices were already softening...

[GreenLantern]

5524 prices are way down lately.

Doesn't stop me from wanting one, obviously. But still, I really hate speculative bubbles -- even small localized ones.

[golfski]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Someone told me prices were already softening...

I hope that’s true! Do you think down to and below MSRP like the 5524 is, in time? Personally I’m hoping, then they’d be obtainable and decent price, the current price is outrageous!

Also any comparison in how it wears compared to 5524? I love the size of 5524 and worry this is too small for me at 40mm.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Someone told me prices were already softening...

That because....... "We getting some new SS Calatrava’s for 2020???"..

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Someone told me prices were already softening...

I love these sorts of comments. What did ‘someone’ say about RM prices softening?

To be fair I would assume the market is still working on the ‘used’ price level based on demand and supply, the piece is still pretty new and in a slightly different in demand segment for a Patek - that price level might be below list, it might be above list, as always, buy because you love it!

[GreenLantern]

It's not even a steel sports watch!

Inefficient markets are, well, inefficient.

[jschmidtdmd]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

5524 prices are way down lately.

Doesn't stop me from wanting one, obviously. But still, I really hate speculative bubbles -- even small localized ones.

That they are! I grabbed one as a result. It's a killer watch IMO.

[qrc36]

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

[mongrelnomoad]

Originally Posted by qrc36

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

That looks fab!

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by qrc36

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

Congrats! That looks fantastic!

[pam66]

Originally Posted by qrc36

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

love the swatch!

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by golfski

I hope that’s true! Do you think down to and below MSRP like the 5524 is, in time? Personally I’m hoping, then they’d be obtainable and decent price, the current price is outrageous!

Also any comparison in how it wears compared to 5524? I love the size of 5524 and worry this is too small for me at 40mm.

No ide on price. It wears smaller than the 5524.

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

That because....... "We getting some new SS Calatrava’s for 2020???"..

No

Originally Posted by Russell996

I love these sorts of comments. What did ‘someone’ say about RM prices softening?

To be fair I would assume the market is still working on the ‘used’ price level based on demand and supply, the piece is still pretty new and in a slightly different in demand segment for a Patek - that price level might be below list, it might be above list, as always, buy because you love it!

I gots no skin in the game... I’m just passing along what someone I respect said... and that someone is in the know. Lol... it is still at a premium. Just coming down that’s all.

The RM’s coming down too, like John said it might fall a lot after the holidays.

[guanxi]

Originally Posted by qrc36

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

Sweet combo, very inspiring, bravo!

[Pim]

Originally Posted by qrc36

My 5212 finally arrived today - and I immediately switched to the 5712 strap and deployant that I got at the Geneva Salon.

(I'm a bad boy .... 2 watches in a week!)

Awesome man, can we get some more photo's of the watch with the new strap and clasp?

[DGB]

Yeah the watches are being delivered and the flippers are flipping with 70% premium.
Not sure Patek will ever control this behaviour...


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[pam66]

Originally Posted by DGB

Yeah the watches are being delivered and the flippers are flipping with 70% premium.
Not sure Patek will ever control this behaviour...


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why should PP want to control this? it contributes significantly to their aura.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by pam66

why should PP want to control this? it contributes significantly to their aura.

I need to run an algorithm

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by pam66

why should PP want to control this? it contributes significantly to their aura.

You don't think PP takes a dim view of flipping and tries to control it?

[yoast]

Originally Posted by DGB

Yeah the watches are being delivered and the flippers are flipping with 70% premium.
Not sure Patek will ever control this behaviour...


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Originally Posted by Russell996

You don't think PP takes a dim view of flipping and tries to control it?

I think Patek is very happy a calatrava is selling over retail on the secondary market for the first time in years!

[Fat_ninja]

I think people underestimate how important the secondary market is for these brands...the higher it trades on the secondary... the more demand there is. Real time feedback which allows them to alter their selling strategy and also potentially the designs.

[rrrss91]

Originally Posted by yoast

I think Patek is very happy a calatrava is selling over retail on the secondary market for the first time in years!

How long for though?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by yoast

I think Patek is very happy a calatrava is selling over retail on the secondary market for the first time in years!

Being happy a piece is popular and selling above retail does not exclude wanting to stop flippers - stopping flippers will actually drive the price even higher on the secondary.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Russell996

You don't think PP takes a dim view of flipping and tries to control it?

honestly, i think TS's talk against flipping is empty like the eggs we use for easter tree decoration. flipping takes nothing away from PP and as i said the high grey market prices contribute to their aura.

[qrc36]

Originally Posted by Pim

Awesome man, can we get some more photo's of the watch with the new strap and clasp?

Here's the 5212 with the 5172 strap and deployant.

(As mentioned above in case some people missed it, the 5712 strap is easily available at Geneva Salon - they won't let me order in Hong Kong through my AD.)

[zahain]

Originally Posted by qrc36

Here's the 5212 with the 5172 strap and deployant.

(As mentioned above in case some people missed it, the 5712 strap is easily available at Geneva Salon - they won't let me order in Hong Kong through my AD.)

Looks awesome. The 5172 strap fits it quite well. What is the strap size for the 5212? 21x16?

[pam66]

Originally Posted by pam66

honestly, i think TS's talk against flipping is empty like the eggs we use for easter tree decoration. flipping takes nothing away from PP and as i said the high grey market prices contribute to their aura.

ps: some ADs do mind flipping (typically those that don't do it themselves) because it makes them look bad infront of their customers, others do not care at all and happily sell to greys.

[Josh1000]

I sold a 5167 about 8 months after I got it to WF. As a seperate discussion Rhone phoned my AD to ask why I had sold it so soon. They pointed out it was replaced by xxx and xxxx. They do monitor or it could just be because i am a bit sleazy

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Josh1000

I sold a 5167 about 8 months after I got it to WF. As a seperate discussion Rhone phoned my AD to ask why I had sold it so soon. They pointed out it was replaced by xxx and xxxx. They do monitor or it could just be because i am a bit sleazy

in the first place how did Rhone find out? did you tell the AD???

[Josh1000]

Originally Posted by pam66

in the first place how did Rhone find out? did you tell the AD???

Nope. The AD phoned me to ask following a call from Rhone. Also it wasnt as though the watch was sold after a week...was a fair length of time. One theory is they are able to monitor the time between registrations and have a time threshold.

I know for a fact that they do employ phantom shoppers who look for watches (greys in particular) to see where they are sourced. Maybe there.