Patek & Grand Seiko

[wdin]

What a stunning pair you have there!

The 130th anniversary pieces are to die for IMO. You're one lucky guy to have one of those. I'd prefer the 039 in platinum but too bad they're all sold out (lucky for my wallet though)

[mdtddd2007]

Originally Posted by wdin

What a stunning pair you have there!

The 130th anniversary pieces are to die for IMO. You're one lucky guy to have one of those. I'd prefer the 039 in platinum but too bad they're all sold out (lucky for my wallet though)

Thank you

[TheBluePrince]

I just picked up one of these -

GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/grand-se...eiko-roadshow/

WOW.

Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

I just picked up one of these -

GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/grand-se...eiko-roadshow/

WOW.

Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

That's a beautiful looking piece congrats !

[Maxy]

Great pics there Nil.. I would have loved to have you take pics of my Grand Seiko Quartz. It deserves micro pictures! Maybe I should try over the weekend.

[incontrol]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

I just picked up one of these -



GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.



http://www.ablogtowatch.com/grand-se...eiko-roadshow/



WOW.



Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

Very nice choice! Congrats!

[joli160]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

I just picked up one of these -

GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.
WOW.
Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

Congrats, beautiful

[nilfire77]

Originally Posted by Maxy

Great pics there Nil.. I would have loved to have you take pics of my Grand Seiko Quartz. It deserves micro pictures! Maybe I should try over the weekend.

Thanks dude! Mine's taken with a macro lens... Fret not if you don't have any specialised photography equipment... I've heard of people taking fantastic macros using just a handphone and a loupe... You might wanna try it out

[mdtddd2007]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

I just picked up one of these -

GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/grand-se...eiko-roadshow/

WOW.

Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

Very nice dial! Congrats!!!

[wdin]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

I just picked up one of these -

GS Spring Drive 10th Anniversary model - SBGA109.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/grand-se...eiko-roadshow/

WOW.

Quality is just sublime. Running +/- ZERO seconds after 6 days so far. Most satisfying watch I've ever bought new, cannot fault it.

WOW!! That dial is something else... Stunning!!

Originally Posted by Maxy

Great pics there Nil.. I would have loved to have you take pics of my Grand Seiko Quartz. It deserves micro pictures! Maybe I should try over the weekend.

Yup. You'll never know until you try...

In the meantime, any comparison shots of PP and GS?

[polarinda]

The GS case shape never appealed to me. Nothing personal.

[wdin]

Come on chaps.. any Patek with any GS side-by-side shots this time round?

Let it all out!! No holding back, no restrictions this time!

[DJJon]

My SGBA109 titanium cased 41 mm Spring Drive.

Nice pic of the GS 9R15 (+/- 5 sec per month Spring Drive) movement detailing.

Getting up into the PP altitude while certainly a cloud layer below. Note the GS Lion logo on the rotor. Tatami dial will match up with any dial ever made.

Engraved rehaut a la Rolex announcing special edition 10th Anniversary Spring Drive.

[ap1]

I've owned several GS and they are fine watches. The clasps however are very subpar and the main reason I've flipped them all. The diver extension is very awkward and I don't like the typical fold over on most of the steel bracelet models. That said - certainly a wonderfully finished watch. Did I get that feeling of strapping a PP on, nope. Just nope.

[wdin]

Thanks Jon. I was drawn into that dial myself. But can't really pull a trigger on a Spring Drive just yet.

AP1, show your PP then!

[LuminousMaximus]

I think that at first glance it looks like the watch is saying, BS BS

That was my first impression and that will be my first thought Whenever I see a Grand Seiko...

I rather buy a used Patek, or any other quality swiss movement, every day of the week.

A better comparison would be Seiko & Omega

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

I think that at first glance it looks like the watch is saying, BS BS



That was my first impression and that will be my first thought Whenever I see a Grand Seiko...



I rather buy a used Patek, or any other quality swiss movement, every day of the week.



A better comparison would be Seiko & Omega

Finishing is nothing like omega, sorry

[ap1]

Originally Posted by wdin

Thanks Jon. I was drawn into that dial myself. But can't really pull a trigger on a Spring Drive just yet.

AP1, show your PP then!

Um.....ok

[Hairdude1]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Here's a closeup of a 5227. Very nicely tampon printed.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

I think that at first glance it looks like the watch is saying, BS BS

That was my first impression and that will be my first thought Whenever I see a Grand Seiko...

I rather buy a used Patek, or any other quality swiss movement, every day of the week.

A better comparison would be Seiko & Omega

LOL, thanks for the joke, it was really funny. Are you a stand up comedian?

[subtona]

I am not a fan of the spring drive print on the dial similarly I do not like the coaxial script on an omega, just not interested in seeing the marketing subtext every time I look at the watch.

[wdin]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Finishing is nothing like omega, sorry

Originally Posted by fmc000

LOL, thanks for the joke, it was really funny. Are you a stand up comedian?

Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by subtona

I am not a fan of the spring drive print on the dial similarly I do not like the coaxial script on an omega, just not interested in seeing the marketing subtext every time I look at the watch.

Dare I say "superlative chronometer officially certified" Gus?

[wdin]

Originally Posted by ap1

Um.....ok

I'd love a 5167. Heck, make it a 5711. OR BOTH! Wait, throw in Mike's killer calatrava too! HAHA!

But I'm not a gold person (movements included). So I would just have to make do with pics.

This thread was started as I'm trying hard to get a highly finished watch with no gold rotors or case or bracelets...

That said, some might ask, "Why Grand Seiko then?"
Answer (IMO): It does have some sick finishing and not too corrosive for the wallet.

As much as I would love to OWN a Patek. I don't see a point owning an excellent watch I can't wear. So yeah..

[TheBluePrince]

I wish all my Omega's had been as good quality and highly finished as my Grand Seiko....maybe if they had been I'd still have one or two of them!

[incontrol]

In my opinion, these two watches are comparable. Both are dual time zone watches, both are SS sport models. My GS has been worn in every situation without regard to damage and it still looks great. The Aquanaut has been carefully worn and shows the marks I don't even remember making.

Also, in my opinion, The case, dial and bracelet, and finishing on the GS is second to none in design and details. I dare say it is certainly more intricate than my Aquanaut for less than nearly 5 times the price.

That said I do love my PP 5164 and as far as I can foresee, it is a keeper. The same goes for my GS SBGE021. If you have not held a GS and studied the case chamfers, dial details and overall quality, you really can not understand. Funny, but that is exactly what I have been told about PP!

If you like the design ethics, there is little else you can compare the GS to in the same price range. Mine is one of 150 world wide and it cost me $3,000 less than a Rolex GMT. The GMT functions are identical. The accuracy of the GS is second to none in my collection and you won't see it on everyone's wrist.

Good luck in deciding what you want to buy.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by wdin

Thanks guys!




Dare I say "superlative chronometer officially certified" Gus?

maybe its because i have read that on my wrist for so very long but i don't see it the same as the spring drive and coaxial, those are design elements of the movement vs what i perceive as a measure of standards for rolex…

is it rolex brilliant marketing, could be, but i still feel like the others are grasping at air

[wdin]

Originally Posted by incontrol

In my opinion, these two watches are comparable. Both are dual time zone watches, both are SS sport models. My GS has been worn in every situation without regard to damage and it still looks great. The Aquanaut has been carefully worn and shows the marks I don't even remember making.

Also, in my opinion, The case, dial and bracelet, and finishing on the GS is second to none in design and details. I dare say it is certainly more intricate than my Aquanaut for less than nearly 5 times the price.

That said I do love my PP 5164 and as far as I can foresee, it is a keeper. The same goes for my GS SBGE021. If you have not held a GS and studied the case chamfers, dial details and overall quality, you really can not understand. Funny, but that is exactly what I have been told about PP!

If you like the design ethics, there is little else you can compare the GS to in the same price range. Mine is one of 150 world wide and it cost me $3,000 less than a Rolex GMT. The GMT functions are identical. The accuracy of the GS is second to none in my collection and you won't see it on everyone's wrist.

Good luck in deciding what you want to buy.

Is the bezel insert on the GS ceramic? Is it a rotatable bezel?
Does the 24h hand moves/jumps independently when switching from one time zone to the next?

Initially, I was eyeing the SBGM025..
Until I stumbled upon this http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ith-green-dial
I'd be lucky to find one on anyone or for sale!

I much prefer it to sbgm025 as the 24hour numerals are on the rehault? Also, that meticulously finished hands and hour markers along with the rich deep green dial...

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by subtona

maybe its because i have read that on my wrist for so very long but i don't see it the same as the spring drive and coaxial, those are design elements of the movement vs what i perceive as a measure of standards for rolex…

is it rolex brilliant marketing, could be, but i still feel like the others are grasping at air

It's marketing imo from all three although Omega have now actually raised the game by exceeding Rolex certification and standards with Omega watches now becoming officially certified "Master Chronometers".

http://www.omegawatches.com/press/pr...se-detail/2907

I'd actually rate Rolex movements as third after Seiko (Hi-Beat and Spring Drive) and Omega Coax. Biggest mistake Rolex ever made was turning away George Daniels.

[incontrol]

Originally Posted by wdin

Is the bezel insert on the GS ceramic? Is it a rotatable bezel?

Does the 24h hand moves/jumps independently when switching from one time zone to the next?



Initially, I was eyeing the SBGM025..

Until I stumbled upon this http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ith-green-dial

I'd be lucky to find one on anyone or for sale!



I much prefer it to sbgm025 as the 24hour numerals are on the rehault? Also, that meticulously finished hands and hour markers along with the rich deep green dial...

The bezel is sapphire and the bezel has lume so it glows like a torch in the dark. It is rotatable. The dial is also heavily lumed for great night viewing.

Pulling the crown out one position, moves the hour hand forward and backward. Pulling the crown out to the second position, sets the minute hand.

[wdin]

Originally Posted by incontrol

The bezel is sapphire and the bezel has lume so it glows like a torch in the dark. It is rotatable. The dial is also heavily lumed for great night viewing.

Pulling the crown out one position, moves the hour hand forward and backward. Pulling the crown out to the second position, sets the minute hand.

Are you kidding me!! Sapphire bezel?? WOOLALA!!!
And that lume on it, that's so common sense and very useful and practical!!

I believe the lume is of Seiko standards? But since it's a GS, I expect it to be better than normal Seiko lume? And i'm of those who always envies my brothers Seiko lume when I see it glowing at night. They are one of the best in the industry imo.

Thanks for correcting me. I was referring to the Hour hands and not the GMT hands. So it behaves like a GMT-master II but with lume on the bezel inserts instead of indices.

Are there similar model GMT GS with sapphire bezels with lume but not a spring drive?

Really loving that lume!