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Old 8 December 2016, 10:24 AM   #1
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Looking to get into Paneri...

I've been reading up on Paneri and looking through this forum lately. I like the cases with crown guards the best. I also like the dials where the numbers are "cut out" and the lume is underneath. Movement isn't a huge deal to me. What series would be the best for me to start looking at? Any help would be appreciated!
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Old 8 December 2016, 10:44 AM   #2
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Ok, so essentially you will want some form of luminor. Also, the "cut out" numbers and indices you mentioned is a sandwich dial in the panerai world, whereas a sausage dial means the numbers and indices are painted on.

If you are willing to go pre-owned, I would suggest that the pam 111 or 112 (i'm pretty sure they are very recently out of production) will be exactly what you are looking for. I started with a pam 111 myself and with all the strap options, I find that it steals a lot of wrist time from my subC. Honestly, the 111 scratched the panerai itch for me and I don't think I would ever want another one because i'm so happy with it.

If you want one of the more recent models, I would recommend the pam 510 which is basically a 111, except with the newer in house movement and different shaped numbers on the dial. Also the pam 560 is more or less a pam 112 with the updated in house movement and 8 days slapped on the dial.

Also, if you go 111 or 112, make sure it's recent enough to have the sandwich dial, because they used to make them with the sausage dial 10 years or so ago.

Let me know if I can help!
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Old 8 December 2016, 11:17 AM   #3
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The best way to pick as there so many and only have slight difference between all of them is go to a PAM boutique. Ask them about all the different case and dials. They'll explain it all to you. Then ask for a catalog and flip through it and one will scream to you. My first high end watch was a PAM. I went to a boutique and got a catalog. Flipped through it and once i saw the PAM 359 i knew that was the one.
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Old 8 December 2016, 01:00 PM   #4
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it's spelt, PANERAI, just FYI ��

first thing is to go try on a few, at an ad or a boutique.

the luminor with the sandwich dial is classic. i own 5 panerai's if you have any questions feel free to send me a pm.

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Old 8 December 2016, 01:33 PM   #6
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Old 8 December 2016, 01:36 PM   #7
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Thanks all! As far as the spelling...I had to change autocorrect about 5 times to get it close :) I thought that it was a sandwich dial, I thought I wanted a Luminor just am not up on the nomenclature yet. I have been searching for an AD near me (OKC) but didn't see any on their website. I'll keep looking and if I have other questions PM's will be sent!
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Old 8 December 2016, 02:38 PM   #8
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There's a lot to learn, but well worth it. When you find the right one for you, you're going to love it!
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Old 9 December 2016, 03:42 AM   #9
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My vote 422 (if you have the wrist for it) makes for a nice one and done. I love the dirty dial and the watch looks amazing with almost any strap.
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Old 9 December 2016, 03:48 AM   #10
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good advice below for your first if you are looking to pickup a 44MM

otherwise..372 or 422 in the 47mm world would be all the panerai you need..

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Ok, so essentially you will want some form of luminor. Also, the "cut out" numbers and indices you mentioned is a sandwich dial in the panerai world, whereas a sausage dial means the numbers and indices are painted on.

If you are willing to go pre-owned, I would suggest that the pam 111 or 112 (i'm pretty sure they are very recently out of production) will be exactly what you are looking for. I started with a pam 111 myself and with all the strap options, I find that it steals a lot of wrist time from my subC. Honestly, the 111 scratched the panerai itch for me and I don't think I would ever want another one because i'm so happy with it.

If you want one of the more recent models, I would recommend the pam 510 which is basically a 111, except with the newer in house movement and different shaped numbers on the dial. Also the pam 560 is more or less a pam 112 with the updated in house movement and 8 days slapped on the dial.

Also, if you go 111 or 112, make sure it's recent enough to have the sandwich dial, because they used to make them with the sausage dial 10 years or so ago.

Let me know if I can help!
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Old 9 December 2016, 04:27 AM   #11
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just a FYI the 510 and 560 are no longer sandwich dials, so you have to go used or step up to a 1950 case.
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Old 9 December 2016, 07:04 AM   #12
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111 or 112 since in-house movement doesn't matter to you :)
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Old 9 December 2016, 11:29 AM   #13
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just a FYI the 510 and 560 are no longer sandwich dials, so you have to go used or step up to a 1950 case.
Interesting, I didn't know that. I need to keep up with panerai, always doing something lol. Are the 1950 models going to be the only ones that have sandwich dials now?
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Old 9 December 2016, 12:32 PM   #14
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Old 9 December 2016, 01:06 PM   #15
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372, 422, 557 - all are 47mm
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Old 10 December 2016, 12:16 AM   #16
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I've been reading up on Paneri and looking through this forum lately. I like the cases with crown guards the best. I also like the dials where the numbers are "cut out" and the lume is underneath. Movement isn't a huge deal to me. What series would be the best for me to start looking at? Any help would be appreciated!


I'd make a case for the 312. I had a 111 previously. Both are sandwich dials.

The 312 has the push button strap change system. This is a god send. If you plan on getting a variety of straps - which makes wearing a Pam a lot of fun - this is a must have feature IMO.

That said, if you are fine with the occasional strap change - or don't mind taping up you lugs and possibly cross threading your screw holes - no worries!
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Old 10 December 2016, 12:19 AM   #17
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Totally agree with the 111,112! It's pretty much all you need.

What I wanted were the following: sandwich dial, clear case back, base model, ETA movement... the 112 ticked all the boxes. I'm glad I purchased the last production (R series) as it is recently discontinued.

Panerai are known for their design and not so much for their movements, therefore it was important that I picked up the ETA. Also they are easily serviced by an independent.

Hope this helps and best of luck picking out your next Pam!


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Old 10 December 2016, 04:57 AM   #18
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I would second (or third?) the 111 if the seconds hand is important or the 112 if it is not.
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Old 10 December 2016, 10:52 AM   #19
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I would suggest look at base logo models 000 or 005. Aim for brand new models as they are still available at some ADs.

Being recently discontinued they will be very popular in years to come.
Their simple design refers to early Panerai models and it is not suprise why so.many calls them true Panerai DNA.

In case later on you will find out that Panerai is not for you they are also easiest to flip with minimal or no loss.

Take your time and pick one which sings to you the most.

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Old 10 December 2016, 10:55 AM   #20
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I'd make a case for the 312. I had a 111 previously. Both are sandwich dials.

The 312 has the push button strap change system. This is a god send. If you plan on getting a variety of straps - which makes wearing a Pam a lot of fun - this is a must have feature IMO.

That said, if you are fine with the occasional strap change - or don't mind taping up you lugs and possibly cross threading your screw holes - no worries!
Some good advice here. Consider a 359 too; it's very similar to the 312 but has ecru lume, polished case and Arabic dial.
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Old 11 December 2016, 11:54 AM   #22
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Since you like the sandwich dial, I'd go for the 112. It's such a clean, awesome watch.
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Old 19 January 2017, 10:22 AM   #24
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So in my research I've found that there has been issues with the movement in the 312...not sure if this is still an issue? Also, I live in the Oklahoma City area so the closest boutique is Dallas which is just over 3 hours away. The ETA movement would be serviceable by any watchmaker...what about the in house movements?
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Old 19 January 2017, 01:49 PM   #25
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So in my research I've found that there has been issues with the movement in the 312...not sure if this is still an issue? Also, I live in the Oklahoma City area so the closest boutique is Dallas which is just over 3 hours away. The ETA movement would be serviceable by any watchmaker...what about the in house movements?

In house movements should probably only be serviced by richemont unfortunately.
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Old 20 January 2017, 04:46 AM   #26
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Old 20 January 2017, 05:12 AM   #27
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I had been collecting them since 06, do yourself a favor get a zero and never look back. It's the only Panerai in my collection and the only one I'll ever need.
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Old 20 January 2017, 05:33 AM   #28
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The 372 is generally regarded as the ultimate Panerai... it has all the DNA from military Panerai's of yester year, a nice easy to read uncluttered face and the sandwich dial you mentioned you liked.

Just a word of warning though...it has the 1950 style 47mm Luminor case and is a massive watch, and I mean MASSIVE!!!!

If you intend to use it as your daily wearer, make sure you are comfortable with the size of it.

I found to my cost/disappointment that it is physically too large to wear with a business shirt - very frustrating when you spend all that money and then can't enjoy it every day like you would like to.

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For dipping a toe into the (enjoyable) waters of Panerai, probably safest to start with something like a 111 or 005. You mentioned sandwich dials ('cut out' numbers) in your original post, so that would be models such as the 111, 112, etc. These models are popular and fairly easy to flip if you decide that the brand is not for you. They all use ETA-based movements, which will be easier to service than in-house movements.
Contrary to what you may read elsewhere, 'Base' models have two hands and 'Marina' models have three hands. There is a lot to learn with Panerai, not least of all the extensive model range. There is much fun to be had with straps and buckles, which for many is a big part of the ownership experience.
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Are all of these models mentioned here manual power, or automatics? I too am looking to dip in and have, thanks to this thread and google, targeted the following references: 000, 111, 112, 372, 422...and maybe 312.
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