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Old 23 March 2020, 05:24 AM   #3361
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Old 23 March 2020, 05:30 AM   #3363
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Old 23 March 2020, 05:46 AM   #3364
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Small update from Italy.... up to now I am ok... my family too.... but.... people from bergamo and brescia (north east of Milan area) are suffering the most... all factories non related to food will be closed till 3rd of april... Ferrari closed too but we are smart working... here we have tested at least 300k people... don't know how it is going elsewhere in the world, but my opinion is that everyone in critical areas should be tested.
I noticed the numbers - both for new cases and deaths - for Italy declined over yesterday, hoping this is the beginning of a positive trend downward. Fingers crossed.
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Has anyone been talking about the increase in tests being performed?

I ask because I might have missed it.

But I see the media in a panic that so many more people are testing positive. In my estimation that’s because there are so many more tests being performed.

But if we now have far more testing positive, doesn’t that mean it’s driving down the rate of fatalities?

Coupled with the fact that there appears to be agreement that many people are completely asymptomatic, there are likely significantly more people that have it, but don’t know.

Just food for thought. And maybe I’m behind on this topic, but I haven’t see this thought process yet.
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Old 23 March 2020, 05:58 AM   #3367
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Has anyone been talking about the increase in tests being performed?

I ask because I might have missed it.

But I see the media in a panic that so many more people are testing positive. In my estimation thatís because there are so many more tests being performed.

But if we now have far more testing positive, doesnít that mean itís driving down the rate of fatalities?

Coupled with the fact that there appears to be agreement that many people are completely asymptomatic, there are likely significantly more people that have it, but donít know.

Just food for thought. And maybe Iím behind on this topic, but I havenít see this thought process yet.
All the testing has driven down the percentage of fatalities. However thatís not a very popular thing to talk about on most news stations. We are currently at a 1.2% death rate in the United States. I suspect that number will go down even more once more people get tested this week and next week.
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Old 23 March 2020, 06:18 AM   #3368
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One governor just stated that he thinks 40-80% of his states residents will contract the disease.

That’s a massive swing. A 100% difference. Seems like his estimations are likely a reaction, rather than based in science.

Doesn’t seem responsible to me. Yes, this is very serious. There is no denying that. But I’m still on the fence as to wether or not we need to destroy the entire worlds economic system while fighting this fight.
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Old 23 March 2020, 06:28 AM   #3369
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That's good. The downer is that they are not a USA plant, hopefully we have learned a lesson in all this.
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One governor just stated that he thinks 40-80% of his states residents will contract the disease.

Thatís a massive swing. A 100% difference. Seems like his estimations are likely a reaction, rather than based in science.

Doesnít seem responsible to me. Yes, this is very serious. There is no denying that. But Iím still on the fence as to wether or not we need to destroy the entire worlds economic system while fighting this fight.
Iím with you & my sister in law works in the hospital at all of the fatalities down here happened in & my grandmother was also just moved from this hospital. So petty much as close as it gets.

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Old 23 March 2020, 06:29 AM   #3370
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Transcripts of Fauci & Gottlieb on Face The Nation today. Calm, measured, no BS. Obviously a very dangerous situation but it’s not all doom & gloom.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...march-22-2020/

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Old 23 March 2020, 06:48 AM   #3371
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Old 23 March 2020, 06:53 AM   #3372
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We just got in from a long walk. It was wonderful.
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Transcripts of Fauci & Gottlieb on Face The Nation today. Calm, measured, no BS. Obviously a very dangerous situation but itís not all doom & gloom.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...march-22-2020/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...march-22-2020/
Dude is on point, no bs exactly

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We took the boys out on a bike ride.

We're practicing social distancing and staying away from others, but it doesn't mean you can't go out for a run by yourself in the morning or do things like this. Not taking the kids to the playground or anything like that, though.

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Our group has stopped all elective cases so no peripherals. Cardiac on a case by case basis. Clinic is telemedicine only. A colleague got chewed out by the intensivist because he fixed a left carotid outpatient and needed an ICU bed for Neuro assessment. Problem was the ICU is stacked with
R/O covids. But at that point what do you do? Not fix and hope he doesnít stroke out?
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Old 23 March 2020, 07:11 AM   #3376
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But I see the media in a panic that so many more people are testing positive. In my estimation thatís because there are so many more tests being performed.

But if we now have far more testing positive, doesnít that mean itís driving down the rate of fatalities?

Coupled with the fact that there appears to be agreement that many people are completely asymptomatic, there are likely significantly more people that have it, but donít know.
Thatís an accurate observation and conclusion Seth. Itís pointless and a waste of resources to blanket test everybody and it really should be reserved for symptomatic patients requiring ventilation support and healthcare workers.
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One governor just stated that he thinks 40-80% of his states residents will contract the disease.

Thatís a massive swing. A 100% difference. Seems like his estimations are likely a reaction, rather than based in science.
Itís only a projection, and could be correct based on.....duration that the virus is active over time. It will be here with us until we get a vaccine....so yes I can see 80% or higher even....

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Doesnít seem responsible to me. Yes, this is very serious. There is no denying that. But Iím still on the fence as to wether or not we need to destroy the entire worlds economic system while fighting this fight.
Currently, slowing the rate of infection is the preferred course, I agree it is the best option right now, but time will tell.....
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What made SARS more containable than COVID-19?

I donít really remember much about SARS, where it originated etc

Was it less contagious?

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I believe that I read that SARS was more infectious but symptoms were pretty much visible right away while you can carry Corona around for up to 21 days without knowing or showing signs of it
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I donít really remember much about SARS, where it originated etc

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The LA Times did a fairly understandable SARS explanation last month.

The upshot for me as it relates to coronavirus was this:
ďThe SARS outbreak, which reached 29 countries, was ultimately contained using traditional public health measures, such as testing, isolating patients and screening people at airports and other places where they might spread the virus, Gostin said. The strategy is simple: If sick people can be stopped from infecting healthy people, the disease will eventually die off.Ē


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As far as destroying the world’s economy- I look at it like this: this is like a war, a war none of us picked. This virus wants to kill a whole lot of us. We want to kill it.

Losing a shooting war is the worst thing that can happen to your economy, so bad that nations will do whatever is possible to win, no matter how extreme. In WWII, the US instituted a mandatory draft and exploded the budget with defense spending.

This is not a shooting war, but we can make the case for sacrifices as if it were. Forget the budget this year. Try to bear the workforce disruptions. Let the government do what it has to to keep people reasonably whole. If we do it right, it will cost less than the post 911 venture.

By the way, this website if for enthusiasts of a product from Switzerland. Currently, 8 out of 10,000 Swiss have tested positive, the most in the world (I suspect Italy and Iran may be worse, but not as thorough in testing).
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The LA Times did a fairly understandable SARS explanation last month.

The upshot for me as it relates to coronavirus was this:
ďThe SARS outbreak, which reached 29 countries, was ultimately contained using traditional public health measures, such as testing, isolating patients and screening people at airports and other places where they might spread the virus, Gostin said. The strategy is simple: If sick people can be stopped from infecting healthy people, the disease will eventually die off.Ē


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I believe one of the main reasons it was more containable was because it was much more deadly. The virus couldn't infect people faster than it was killing people once the proper measures were implemented so it eventually just died out.

COVID-19 is less severe in most cases so it's also much easier to spread. Asymptomatic people can go around spreading it like crazy without even realizing.
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As far as destroying the worldís economy- I look at it like this: this is like a war, a war none of us picked. This virus wants to kill a whole lot of us. We want to kill it.

Losing a shooting war is the worst thing that can happen to your economy, so bad that nations will do whatever is possible to win, no matter how extreme. In WWII, the US instituted a mandatory draft and exploded the budget with defense spending.

This is not a shooting war, but we can make the case for sacrifices as if it were. Forget the budget this year. Try to bear the workforce disruptions. Let the government do what it has to to keep people reasonably whole. If we do it right, it will cost less than the post 911 venture.

By the way, this website if for enthusiasts of a product from Switzerland. Currently, 8 out of 10,000 Swiss have tested positive, the most in the world (I suspect Italy and Iran may be worse, but not as thorough in testing).
Thoughtful post.

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Sigh. Sigh. Sigh....
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As far as destroying the worldís economy- I look at it like this: this is like a war, a war none of us picked. This virus wants to kill a whole lot of us. We want to kill it.

Losing a shooting war is the worst thing that can happen to your economy, so bad that nations will do whatever is possible to win, no matter how extreme. In WWII, the US instituted a mandatory draft and exploded the budget with defense spending.

This is not a shooting war, but we can make the case for sacrifices as if it were. Forget the budget this year. Try to bear the workforce disruptions. Let the government do what it has to to keep people reasonably whole. If we do it right, it will cost less than the post 911 venture.

By the way, this website if for enthusiasts of a product from Switzerland. Currently, 8 out of 10,000 Swiss have tested positive, the most in the world (I suspect Italy and Iran may be worse, but not as thorough in testing).
Interesting that you call the estimated 25% to 30% coming unemployment ďworkforce disruptionsĒ.

I would personally call it a 100 year economic catastrophe but thatís just me.
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I believe one of the main reasons it was more containable was because it was much more deadly. The virus couldn't infect people faster than it was killing people once the proper measures were implemented so it eventually just died out.

COVID-19 is less severe in most cases so it's also much easier to spread. Asymptomatic people can go around spreading it like crazy without even realizing.

This is also my understanding from what Iíve read.

The virus seems to fit quite a number of Goldilocks criteria. Easily spread by those whom are asymptomatic or yet to display symptoms, impairs a huge percent of the population with hospitalisation. Deadly in quite high numbers (made worse by the hospitals being overwhelmed by the walking & recoverable sick) but not so deadly it doesnít have chance to pass host-to-host.

I have a horrible feeling this coming week is going to be bad for the UK & US. Even if the increasingly stringent social isolation of last week stopped 100% of new transmissions (which it hasnít) there are still two weeks worth of people walking round with it totally unaware of whatís to come.
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Well...... 24/7 negative news and boom empty stores. Works 100% of the time itís done.
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