the Coronavirus outbreak thread

[77T]

NCAA March Madness cancelled.

Edit: https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/nca...PVEHCCNCNOUZA/

NASCAR just barred spectators at the ATL race - campground was already filling up.


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[newu5er]

Originally Posted by 77T

NCAA March Madness cancelled.


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Was really looking forward to this, but it makes sense.

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

300 strokes every day in the UK. 500 heart attacks. 1000 new cancer diagnoses. Etc etc. This stuff needs to be dealt with and the resources of the health service - money, manpower and beds - are finite. COVID-19 itself is far, far less of a threat to the country than the collateral damage caused by the strain inflicted on the health service (and the economy, but that’s a different discussion).

This exactly.

Add to it all the Docs and health care workers getting infected. They have to self-quarantine and are not able to work, further straining health care systems.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by pickettt

Does anyone know someone first hand with this virus? Had a conversation with them, and gotten first hand accounts of what the symptoms are like?

Not quite what you’re after I think, but close-ish...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51858845

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Not quite what you’re after I think, but close-ish...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51858845

He's looking specifically for firsts hand accounts for whatever reason.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

He's looking specifically for firsts hand accounts for whatever reason.

He won’t be waiting long

[superdog]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...of2&yptr=yahoo

this is how it all starts...

[Old Farmer]

Tom Hanks and his wife Rita re in the local hospital diagnosed with Covid 19, my thoughts and best wishes are will all those affected around the world.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by superdog

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...of2&yptr=yahoo

this is how it all starts...

Yup. They were just fooling around.

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by superdog

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...of2&yptr=yahoo

this is how it all starts...

LOL what an image!

[77T]

Australian GP - F1 won’t race this weekend.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsp...84369e524dcbac


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[mgsooner]

Okay, can someone please explain this "can survive in air for three hours" thing? I was listening to talk radio (Fox Business) this afternoon and they had two different medical experts on, who seemed to say contradictory things. On the surface this seems really, really bad.

A study awaiting peer review from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California-Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) posted online Wednesday indicated that the COVID-19 virus could remain viable in the air "up to 3 hours post aerosolization," while remaining alive on plastic and other surfaces for up to three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," reads the study's abstract.

The test results suggest that humans could be infected by the disease simply carried through the air or on a solid surface, even if direct contact with an infected person does not occur. That finding, if accepted, would come in stark contrast to previous media reports that suggested the virus was not easily transmittable outside of direct human contact.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ive-in-the-air

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

Okay, can someone please explain this "can survive in air for three hours" thing?

I thought this was already common knowledge, or maybe it was my germaphobic imagination

[mgsooner]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

I thought this was already common knowledge, or maybe it was my germaphobic imagination

I knew the surfaces thing but was not aware it can apparently magically float in the air for three hours like a cloud of death and infect you as you walk through it.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

I thought this was already common knowledge, or maybe it was my germaphobic imagination

I don't think it's common knowledge, how long does it live on surfaces?

Real question, asking for myself.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

I knew the surfaces thing but was not aware it can apparently magically float in the air for three hours like a cloud of death and infect you as you walk through it.

Did you think if somebody you were near was infected and sneezed that as long as you didn't touch them you'd be fine?

Some people are thinking it's crazy to stock up on toilet paper, food and supplies, but man, I don't want to be anywhere near the public for as long as I can help it, until we get a better handle on this. Conflicting info included.

Will definitely run out of toilet paper before food though.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

I knew the surfaces thing but was not aware it can apparently magically float in the air for three hours like a cloud of death and infect you as you walk through it.

This is the perfect description of my farts.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

Okay, can someone please explain this "can survive in air for three hours" thing? I was listening to talk radio (Fox Business) this afternoon and they had two different medical experts on, who seemed to say contradictory things. On the surface this seems really, really bad

Then I suspect one of them is not as expert as they claim.

[mgsooner]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I don't think it's common knowledge, how long does it live on surfaces?

Real question, asking for myself.

What I heard on the radio today from the medical experts is anywhere from four hours (copper) to one day (cardboard) to three days (stainless steel/plastic).

[mgsooner]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Did you think if somebody you were near was infected and sneezed that as long as you didn't touch them you'd be fine?

We're talking about two different things. There's being in the proximity of an infected person, who sneezes, and you inhale droplets. I get that. The scenario of you being infected by walking into the area hours later is something different entirely.

[Moggo]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

300 strokes every day in the UK. 500 heart attacks. 1000 new cancer diagnoses. Etc etc. This stuff needs to be dealt with and the resources of the health service - money, manpower and beds - are finite. COVID-19 itself is far, far less of a threat to the country than the collateral damage caused by the strain inflicted on the health service (and the economy, but that’s a different discussion).

Totally appreciate that

I’m not saying all those tested would be hospitalised, nowhere near but if you don’t test everyone who has symptoms how do you have any idea of the scale.

If we know the numbers who have it and recover we have an idea of those numbers who are then clear from it going forward.

We seem to be the only country that has said ‘if you have symptoms self isolate for 7 days, no test required’.

The symptoms seem pretty vague and varied, reading descriptions from people fever is not always present, neither is a cough. Can be aches, shortness of breath etc etc

I’m still confused


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[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

I knew the surfaces thing but was not aware it can apparently magically float in the air for three hours like a cloud of death and infect you as you walk through it.

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

This is the perfect description of my farts.

OMG I am crying

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

We're talking about two different things. There's being in the proximity of an infected person, who sneezes, and you inhale droplets. I get that. The scenario of you being infected by walking into the area hours later is something different entirely.

I see what you mean...but i have read that this lingers in the air, can't remember where, there's such an influx of info lately, some of it not always accurate... But I would er on the side of caution either way. For the record, even before this virus, if I heard someone cough I would make a b line for the opposite direction ASAP. So as you can imagine my anxiety with this virus, ha ha.

[Burlington]

I would suggest that unless it is airborne enough to be carried in the wind it would struggle to linger in open airspace for long.

2 meters seems to be the commonly accepted ‘spreading zone’ and obviously the more time spent within that distance increases the likelihood of catching

Talking to my colleagues again in Italy today sounds like a very tough situation there right now trying to provide for their families under these exceptional circumstances.

[77T]

Well on this subject of airborne vs droplets - I hope this helps.


1. Droplet route:
The pathogen falls to the ground in large droplets. The pathogen doesn't make it very far away from the source, but if you intercept the drop's path, you could get infected.

Like someone sneezing on/near you. Viruses that move through the droplet route usually travel only about 3 feet (and no more than 6 feet). They stay in the air for less than a second. So to catch these viruses, you have to be within 6 feet of a contagious person.

Ebola was such a virus. We don’t know enough yet about coronavirus.


2. Airborne route:
The pathogen is lifted up into the air inside tiny aerosolized droplets. These are very small and light, but contain the virus. The pathogen floats and can move long distances with air currents. If you inhale this mist, you could get infected. A strong dry cough can aerosolize very effectively - like an invisible fog.

Measles is a good example of a pathogen than can float on the wind. That’s one reason why it is very contagious.

Summary:
Again we don’t know, but we can surmise this new virus will spread in either or both ways. Thus the reason for infected people to wear a mask.

But it’s better to protect against 1 & 2 above...cover your sneezes and your coughs, stay 6 feet away and don’t remain inside the same room where you hear a lot of coughing.

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[FTX I]

Nevermind

[SBR]

Was wondering if anyone knows if the situation in China is improving?

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by 77T

Well on this subject of airborne vs droplets - I hope this helps.


1. Droplet route:
The pathogen falls to the ground in large droplets. The pathogen doesn't make it very far away from the source, but if you intercept the drop's path, you could get infected.

Like someone sneezing on/near you. Viruses that move through the droplet route usually travel only about 3 feet (and no more than 6 feet). They stay in the air for less than a second. So to catch these viruses, you have to be within 6 feet of a contagious person.

Ebola was such a virus. We don’t know enough yet about coronavirus.


2. Airborne route:
The pathogen is lifted up into the air inside tiny aerosolized droplets. These are very small and light, but contain the virus. The pathogen floats and can move long distances with air currents. If you inhale this mist, you could get infected. A strong dry cough can aerosolize very effectively - like an invisible fog.

Measles is a good example of a pathogen than can float on the wind. That’s why it is very contagious.

Summary:
Again we don’t know, but we can surmise this new virus will spread in either or both ways. Thus the reason for infected people to wear a mask.

But it’s better to protect against 1 & 2 above...cover your sneezes and your coughs, stay 6 feet away and don’t remain inside the same room where you hear a lot of coughing.

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This is the best image I've seen all day.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SBR

Was wondering if anyone knows if the situation in China is improving?

Official reports are looking up. But I know the cred level is actively debated.

I take no sides on that part.

But even if you set China aside, I’d ask folks to start focusing on the ever increasing total number of cases survived globally. That is, people who have recovered.


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[FTX I]

Disneyland closes because of the coronavirus outbreak

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/b...ronavirus.html