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27 February 2009, 04:58 AM
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eBay: Rolex GMT Master 1675 Red Blue pepsi.."Guaranteed Authenticity 100%"..??
Err buddies...the watch listing says...
Rolex GMT Master Movement - Automatic Case - Steel 40mm original dial was refinished to modern style bezel - Red blue (Pepsi) Model#1675 Serial # 1.5 mil. acrylic crystal recently serviced by TNS scratches from normal wear can be buffed out if requested Preowned comes with everything shown in picture Guaranteed Authenticity 100% http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170306319359 In Orchi's small vocabulary knowledge n little understanding of The Dictionary...the Word "Authenticity" means... 1. The quality of being authentic or of established authority for truth and correctness. 2. Genuineness; the quality of being genuine or not corrupted from the original. So IF going by what the Dictionary says...is true. The Dial on the 1675 GMT...which is being listed by eBay Seller - gorolex ( 409 FB) ... as "original dial was refinished to modern style" would be construed as...INCORRECTNESS.   Additionally...the Bracelet that is fitted to the watch having a Ref# "166xx"... is AFTERMARKET...NOT a standard Rolex Bracelet Ref#... n the End Links are INCORRECT for the watch... Therefore...the Seller's listing description of the watch which fails to mention the discrepancies... would be INCORRECT...also. What says the rest of the WatchOut buddies...?   
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27 February 2009, 05:04 AM
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I say the band is not correct. Having said that he might have just made a mistake it happens. Hopefully this good seller with 100% positive feedback will update his auction. Nice find Orchi
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27 February 2009, 05:10 AM
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Great Catch and analysis.
When did they move to the closed "9" on the date. The watch you describe above would be dated around 1965-66 based on the serial number and it displays a "closed nine (9)." |
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27 February 2009, 05:10 AM
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Great Catch and analysis.
When did they move to the closed "9" on the date. The watch you describe above would be dated around 1965-66 based on the serial number and it displays a "closed nine (9)." |
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27 February 2009, 05:27 AM
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...it IS 100% AUTHENTIC...
...FAKEEEE band! Great catch Orchi.
 ...as you have stated, notwithstanding that the seller declares the refi-dial, this watch as presented, is NOT 100% authentic. ...  Stan. 
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27 February 2009, 05:29 AM
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Orchi this is my assumption, but after reading thousands of these listings the past 11 years I'd venture to say that "Guaranteed Authenticity 100%" refers to the watch being 100% genuine and not fake. I think the definition for authentic, at least when I hear that word, means real or genuine. This word - authentic - has a totally different meaning to me than original.
He does mention the new dial - which is good - but fails to mention the newer band or the date wheel being replaced. I wouldn't hold the date wheel against him as 99.9% of Rolex owners/or dealers wouldn't know a replacement date wheel from a correct vintage date wheel. Same might be true for the band. What I don't see is him hyping the watch as a 100% original watch, or anything indicating he is more than a novice seller/collector/dealer - but I haven't been to the auction site on ebay as of this posting. I think this would be a good one to pass on to the powers at ebay and let them sort it out.
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27 February 2009, 05:45 AM
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But can the same be applied... when the watch being listed has the Aftermarket(fake in Orchi's book) - bracelet/EL that was NOT disclosed by the Seller to begin with... n certainly having an Aftermarket fitted to the watch... is not going to make the watch to be either 100% genuine... or...being 100% Authentic...any longer.  Oh btw...come to think of this Dial that is fitted to the watch again... The incorrect positions of the WG Surround markers...n the wrong physical sizes... are NOT consistent to the Dial said to have been Re-Finished... Orchi is in opinion that the Dial...could be a complete FAKE...! Also btw...kinda strange why the Seller has NOT disclosed...which Cal. movement is fitted to the watch have for this instance... With 1,5xx,xxx series...the 1675 may have the Cal. 1560/1565...if NOT the Cal. 1575 movement... |
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27 February 2009, 05:49 AM
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...the band...
...is 100% COUNTERFEIT.
...the seller has MIS-REPRESENTED the "package" as 100% authentic. Stan.
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27 February 2009, 06:05 AM
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I must say I really find it hard to believe that so many EXPERTS and Profesionals Watch Sellers can make so many Honest mistakes in there listings.
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27 February 2009, 06:05 AM
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Great catch with the band Buddy Orchi.
Auction is clearly NOT as described.
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27 February 2009, 12:52 PM
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Orchi, I just reviewed the listing on ebay as I wasn't able to view it before my previous post.
I do not consider his word authentic to mean anything other than to describe this watch to be a REAL Rolex. But, there are issues with the dial, and the band doesn't appear genuine - I have no idea what that band number would be by the first three numbers. So what we have here is a guy from a pawn shop or second-hand jewelry store that obviously knows very little about GMT's or counterfeits. I agree that whatever one considers to mean 100% authentic, you would have to consider this GMT to be far from 100% authentic - the band is fake and this is enough in itself to say that the watch is not 100% authentic. He might not know the band is fake, but that fact alone doesn't give him a license to sell fakes on ebay in violation of the Latham Act. This listing should be pulled and corrected to be properly sold to the general public.
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27 February 2009, 12:57 PM
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when did they have all the lettering on the dial in silver? maybe i am mistaken, but isnt it usually white on the stainless???
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27 February 2009, 01:27 PM
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JP, the dial does appear to have silver lettering instead of white, which Rolex did not have on the GMT's. I don't know if this is due to the lighting, but it appears more and more that the dial was probably a refinished dial - especically if that is silver lettering.
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27 February 2009, 02:06 PM
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I agree John. The dial looks like silver lettering which is incorrect. Long-term seller as well. Interesting.
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27 February 2009, 02:14 PM
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28 February 2009, 12:48 AM
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Err buddies...the listing is still valid...?
"Guaranteed Authenticity 100%" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170306319359 |
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28 February 2009, 12:51 AM
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This watch has been reported by me yesterday but yes still there
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28 February 2009, 01:04 AM
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...where did the...
...MIS-REPRESENTUS goeth??
...someone...anyone...pls tell me where it went??  ...maybe sdm or jwh or jtbp or ttggn can help??? ...GREAT job everyone! Stan.
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1 March 2009, 04:15 AM
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n the same Seller's listing description...claiming the watch to be... "Guaranteed Authenticity 100%"...whilst the watch is shown to be having... REDONE Dial...n AFTERMARKET Bracelet assembly... has been RE-Listed again...! http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-GMT-Master...3A1%7C294%3A50 |
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1 March 2009, 04:44 AM
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...mmmmmmmm...
...still has the COUNTERFEIT band, and other infirmities.
Stan.
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1 March 2009, 05:10 AM
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as you can see...in this current RE-Listing of the 1675 GMT watch... the Seller has added the following picture showing clearly the bracelet Ref#... being "16610"...with End Links Ref # "045"...  Those are definitely...AFTERMARKET parts shown to be fitted to the 1675 GMT watch...making the watch NOT being "Guaranteed Authenticity 100%"...per se...
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1 March 2009, 06:47 AM
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Too bad he won't just put this watch out as what it is, having a band that is an aftermarket special.
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1 March 2009, 07:08 AM
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Guaranteed Authentic 100%
Fake band 100%.  Ebay may frown on this auction.
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2 March 2009, 01:40 AM
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It`s gone now!
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4 March 2009, 11:35 AM
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4 March 2009, 12:52 PM
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4 March 2009, 01:27 PM
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...mmmmmmmmmm...
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...however, it still has a COUNTERFEIT band attached and therefore NOT 100% authentic. Stan.
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4 March 2009, 01:40 PM
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Stan, Even I know that band is counterfeit. 
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4 March 2009, 02:10 PM
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He is just not learning. Someone needs to take him out and edumacate him.
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