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Old 13 August 2019, 01:03 AM   #31
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Old 13 August 2019, 02:01 AM   #32
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Karl or Brian?

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Old 13 August 2019, 02:12 AM   #33
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"Brian" was banned because he got his wires crossed and made a baseless allegation against a very well respected member who genuinely tried to help him obtain a special piece

He returned recently by creating another account and was promptly banned again
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Old 13 August 2019, 04:21 AM   #34
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"Brian" was banned because he got his wires crossed and made a baseless allegation against a very well respected member who genuinely tried to help him obtain a special piece

He returned recently by creating another account and was promptly banned again
Got to admit Brian is quite a character though. As I have mentioned before, he sort of claimed and possibly is the reason why Patek took off the four letter code on the warranty paper that indicated production date.

For those who doesn’t know the story (and make long story short), Brian in Dec. 2007 bought a 5074 MR from a Taiwan AD whom claimed they just got it, Brian was still new to the scene and as he gotten to know more collectors, he heard whispers that the MR he bought wasn’t brand new, and in fact several AD VIPs have tried it on and also offered at a lower price. Through research, he learned one can tell production date from the warranty paper, the MR he bought was made in July 2006, armed with this info. and upset with a non responsive AD, he contacted Patek directly asking for explanation.

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WU SHANG Mr. Liu Ceasar (pp.taiwan@gmail.com)

Dear Sir,

Please accept our apology for the misinformation received from our Taiwanese retailer. We shall undertake, together with our local Distributor, the necessary action in order not to repeat such incident.

Again, we do assure you that the watch you have purchased is new and the reason why the sealed plastic has been opened is because your watch has been checked by our local Service Center prior to delivery.

We have taken good note of your comments regarding our price policy.

For your information, avaibility for such model in Switzerland is between 12 to 18 months.

This morning, we spoke over the phone with our Distributor, Wu Shang Trading. We understood that you have been able to speak with our retailer Pro Hopetime who has clarified the situation on his side.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
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anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

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Brain post all those letters and sales receipts in Chinese forum, anyways, Brain was able to get refund for the MR and the AD lost the AD status, and soon after Patek no longer print the four letter code on the warranty paper. Is Brian the reason why Patek stopped printing the code? You are the judge....
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Old 13 August 2019, 08:47 AM   #35
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If that was me I’d be upset too, I mean it ain’t a Calatrava...
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Old 13 August 2019, 09:02 AM   #36
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At least it wasnt a UK dealer hehehe
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Old 13 August 2019, 01:30 PM   #37
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At least it wasnt a UK dealer hehehe
After this incident Brian stopped buying watches from Taiwanese AD and started new relationships with foreign AD like the one from UK.
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Old 13 August 2019, 02:54 PM   #38
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Got to admit Brian is quite a character though. As I have mentioned before, he sort of claimed and possibly is the reason why Patek took off the four letter code on the warranty paper that indicated production date.

For those who doesnít know the story (and make long story short), Brian in Dec. 2007 bought a 5074 MR from a Taiwan AD whom claimed they just got it, Brian was still new to the scene and as he gotten to know more collectors, he heard whispers that the MR he bought wasnít brand new, and in fact several AD VIPs have tried it on and also offered at a lower price. Through research, he learned one can tell production date from the warranty paper, the MR he bought was made in July 2006, armed with this info. and upset with a non responsive AD, he contacted Patek directly asking for explanation.

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Dear Sir,

Please accept our apology for the misinformation received from our Taiwanese retailer. We shall undertake, together with our local Distributor, the necessary action in order not to repeat such incident.

Again, we do assure you that the watch you have purchased is new and the reason why the sealed plastic has been opened is because your watch has been checked by our local Service Center prior to delivery.

We have taken good note of your comments regarding our price policy.

For your information, avaibility for such model in Switzerland is between 12 to 18 months.

This morning, we spoke over the phone with our Distributor, Wu Shang Trading. We understood that you have been able to speak with our retailer Pro Hopetime who has clarified the situation on his side.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141

Brain post all those letters and sales receipts in Chinese forum, anyways, Brain was able to get refund for the MR and the AD lost the AD status, and soon after Patek no longer print the four letter code on the warranty paper. Is Brian the reason why Patek stopped printing the code? You are the judge....


the whole plot sounds like a Netflix movie for watch enthusiasts...
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Old 13 August 2019, 04:49 PM   #39
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the whole plot sounds like a Netflix movie for watch enthusiasts...
Ok so I had time to look at the thread again, it was a long time ago and my recollection was wrong, Brian didn't get refund for the MR, AD gave him a free 5712R for compensation.

And initially he posted this incident in a Taiwanese watch forum, but the forum was sponsored by ADs so they banned him. And Pro Hopetime (a big multi store AD that also carries Rolex, AP, ALS, VC, and etc) soon lost Patek AD status after posts were made online. I have no pity for shady ADs but this case cost Pro Hopetime millions......imagine all that lost Patek sales.

By the way a side note, one of the letters Patek wrote to Brian claimed all MR sales required their approval but Brian said he was able to buy the MR on the spot.
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So why was he banned here? Because by the story, he sounds kick-ass and relentless in standing up for his (and our) consumer rights...
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Old 13 August 2019, 09:27 PM   #41
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So why was he banned here? Because by the story, he sounds kick-ass and relentless in standing up for his (and our) consumer rights...

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Old 13 August 2019, 09:53 PM   #42
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So...
Back on the Boodles thing- i emailed Jaime. He responded saying that the regulator would be hard to source. I dropped Brian’s name, so response since.
Hope I didnt screw myself...
I’ll keep you guys posted, just for curiosity
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Old 13 August 2019, 10:36 PM   #43
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Back on the Boodles thing- i emailed Jaime. He responded saying that the regulator would be hard to source. I dropped Brianís name, so response since.
Hope I didnt screw myself...
Iíll keep you guys posted, just for curiosity
Donít think dropping his name would work, you need a reference from Brian.

Also he doesnít quite have the same pull anymore. Brian himself wrote in Chinese forum that UK AD no longer treat him the same (and that was a few years ago), he is up against other foreign buyers with far more spending power.
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Old 14 August 2019, 01:54 AM   #44
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Patek has told UK AD's to restrict sales to local customers unless the (foreign) customer has a long history of buying their watches.

That said, if you want something which isn't a 5231/Nautilus/Aquanaut, you can walk in and buy. And pay the sales tax...
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Old 14 August 2019, 04:14 AM   #45
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Back on the Boodles thing- i emailed Jaime. He responded saying that the regulator would be hard to source. I dropped Brianís name, so response since.
Hope I didnt screw myself...
Iíll keep you guys posted, just for curiosity
As Russ mentioned above may be he got suspicious after receiving many calls asking for Aquanauts/Nautilus.
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Old 14 August 2019, 04:16 AM   #46
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Don’t think dropping his name would work, you need a reference from Brian.

Also he doesn’t quite have the same pull anymore. Brian himself wrote in Chinese forum that UK AD no longer treat him the same (and that was a few years ago), he is up against other foreign buyers with far more spending power.
If I can recall correctly a member here got a 5167A couple of years ago after mentioning his name. You are right Boodles have a very big overseas clientele with huge spending power.
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Old 14 August 2019, 05:28 AM   #47
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If I can recall correctly a member here got a 5167A couple of years ago after mentioning his name. You are right Boodles have a very big overseas clientele with huge spending power.

not me then
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Old 14 August 2019, 05:38 AM   #48
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not me then
That was before you joined the forum. You can still ask for one
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Old 14 August 2019, 05:43 AM   #49
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im sure ill survive
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Old 16 August 2019, 12:57 AM   #50
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The current exchange rate and 20% VAT refund makes the UK a very attractive market to source watches. Just that Mother Hubbard has nothing in the cupboard!!! If the exchange rate drops further Rhone will increase prices, as they have in the past..
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Just that Mother Hubbard has nothing in the cupboard!!!
There's plenty in the cupboard, you just need a decent AD to sort you out.
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Old 16 August 2019, 04:37 AM   #52
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The current exchange rate and 20% VAT refund makes the UK a very attractive market to source watches. Just that Mother Hubbard has nothing in the cupboard!!! If the exchange rate drops further Rhone will increase prices, as they have in the past..
AP has already done it so Patek may follow soon.
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Old 16 August 2019, 04:44 AM   #53
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AP has already done it so Patek may follow soon.


And still no sign of my 5711R. Damn it
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There's plenty in the cupboard, you just need a decent AD to sort you out.


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There's plenty in the cupboard, you just need a decent AD to sort you out.
The point being made is that currently it seems ADís in the UK are struggling for shop stock. They are having orders for good clients satisfied but shop stock is running below Patek minimum levels - nothing to do with needing a decent AD.
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The point being made is that currently it seems ADís in the UK are struggling for shop stock. They are having orders for good clients satisfied but shop stock is running below Patek minimum levels - nothing to do with needing a decent AD.
Plenty available overseas with the exception of sports models

https://www.watchprosite.com/patek-p...8631.11058231/
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Wanfu lai was on here and went by Brian. He was an odd chap who always wanted to ask what watch he should buy and what gifts he might receive. That said, a member actually got a blue 5711 just by asking for his reference

Karl is a different person. He also had a great collection but nowhere near as odd as Brian (wanfu). He got banned for some other reason.

Bottom line unless you are here 24/7 you donít see the madness that gets people banned. They inevitably do dumb shit and the mods have to remove them.
First I thought Brian and Karl are the same.

Who is Danestaff/Dlindsay? Is it Karl or Brian?
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Old 17 August 2019, 06:44 AM   #58
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Brian Karl and Danestaff are all different people. All banned.
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seems that danestaff is the dark knight, whose name is only whispered here.....:::)))
probably he is having a beer to two on us:::))))
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seems that danestaff is the dark knight, whose name is only whispered here.....:::)))
probably he is having a beer to two on us:::))))
Hereís Danes latest pic he sent to me...

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