Fake or Real Sub-C?

[vitorolex88]

Looking to purchase this sub from a cousin's friend... Claims to have box and all papers, but I thought I would post here to see what anyone thought...

[BillA]

This post belongs on "Watch Out" thread to get best results

[superdog]

Something looks off to me.

Can't put my finger on it. Not an expert tho.

[omx5o]

On the second image, why is the date changing at 8:20 ?

[Jake B]

Originally Posted by omx5o

On the second image, why is the date changing at 8:20 ?

EXACTLY what I noticed right away....and it's a gradual change. Rolex movements "snap" into the next date at midnight.

P.O.S. fake over to the WATCH OUT forum, please!!

[live1]

Real and nice

[RazorD]

Originally Posted by omx5o

On the second image, why is the date changing at 8:20 ?

I'm no pro (and agree this should be posted in the Watchout section), but this struck me as odd as well. Rolex watches change the date very promptly at or close to 12. It's not a gradual change as it nears midnight like some other brands.

[997.2]

Huh. From first glance it looks legit but as Seth said it seems a tiny bit suspect? Here's a real ChubC

Just buy a 16610

[vitorolex88]

My apologies on the misplacement of this post (I am new to TRF). I was just hoping on prompt and helpful advice

[123Blueface]

Aside from what has already been pointed out about the date change, if photo number one and number two are to have been taken around the same time, they are two different watches.

[BillA]

Besides what was said above about the date change at the wrong time, which by the way is a great find, I notice that in the first picture, there is a good scratch on the right side of link closest to the 6 o'clock position. However, I do not see the same scratch on the second picture. Now it could be the photography, but I did blow up picture number 2 and did not see it, so I am going to think that they are 2 different watches. So when in doubt, we walk, no run from the deal. If you want a Sub C, there are trusted sellers on this forum to buy from, and you will get a 100% genuine rolex.

[vitorolex88]

I must note that I have seen the watch in person and the scratch that you refer to is present on the band. It might just be the photography but the scratch is there.

[treblarefils]

Looks real maybe they set the date manually halfway? somehow. for what reason idk but it looks like a real subc. Check lume for blue and consistency and look for laser etched crown also. Shake watch and see if you can feel the rotor you shouldn't feel it move. Basic stuff you can check without removing the back. These are just small things you can check without taking the watch apart not a definitive answer. Obviously the date wheel needs checked out for sure.

[SD23]

Does it have the LEC?

[Submariner2015]

Originally Posted by vitorolex88

Looking to purchase this sub from a cousin's friend... Claims to have box and all papers, but I thought I would post here to see what anyone thought...

Why not just bring to an expert----> your local AD or since I notice you're from NY take it to RSC--they will confirm if it's real, stolen, and anything else you care to find out

If the seller has nothing to worry about, they will gladly go with you!

[cht]

Originally Posted by vitorolex88

I must note that I have seen the watch in person and the scratch that you refer to is present on the band. It might just be the photography but the scratch is there.

You do realize you are the type of person scammers prey on?

Not saying this guy is trying to scam you, but someone like you who doesn't know watches well is very susceptible to the bait and switch.

If you don't know a lot about this model watch, you are best to purchase from a reputable dealer, though it may cost more, you are buying peace of mind.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by vitorolex88

I must note that I have seen the watch in person

Then take the opportunity to have the watch opened and examined. That will answer your questions.

[vitorolex88]

I have done a ton of homework on Submariners so he allowed me to go through some checklist items on the watch. In regards to the two previous responses, yes it does have the LEC and the blue lume. Upon shaking the watch as well, no rotor movement.

In terms of the date, is it possible for these models to be changed manually and screw the crown back without setting it on a particular date? Which looks like what was done in photo number 2.

[arinsd]

Looks kind of odd to me as well.

The watch looks as if it been polished. What year is it.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by BillA

Besides what was said above about the date change at the wrong time, which by the way is a great find, I notice that in the first picture, there is a good scratch on the right side of link closest to the 6 o'clock position. However, I do not see the same scratch on the second picture. Now it could be the photography, but I did blow up picture number 2 and did not see it, so I am going to think that they are 2 different watches. So when in doubt, we walk, no run from the deal. If you want a Sub C, there are trusted sellers on this forum to buy from, and you will get a 100% genuine rolex.

Precisely what I was referring to.

Originally Posted by vitorolex88

I must note that I have seen the watch in person and the scratch that you refer to is present on the band. It might just be the photography but the scratch is there.

OP,
That's great but understand, you posted a photo of one watch with it, one without the scratches.
That alone is a bell that while perhaps all may be OK, at the very minimum, you have been provided two different photos of either same watch at different time intervals, or worse yet, what you are being warned about, bait and switch.

[vitorolex88]

Originally Posted by arinsd

Looks kind of odd to me as well.

The watch looks as if it been polished. What year is it.

The gentlemen is from Germany, moved to New York for work purposes last year. Watch was purchased in 2013 and is a G-serial.

I have seen the warranty card, country code and serial are accurate.

[live1]

Lol It's clearly real but I would get that movement date gear looked at

[Mastergreenhand]

This should be an easy watch for him to sell (if legit). If he's waiting around for you, it's probably also a bad sign.

[Cabernet]

I'd post a sharp photo for this purpose - those photos are not very good.

[997.2]

Price probably won't even be much savings compared to a trusted seller. screw this guy and get one from someone reputable. No reason to gamble on this watch

[Syed117]

Having blue lume is not a definitive sign for a ceramic sub.

It doesn't come across as green in this picture, but this is definitely a bit green.

The date being stuck in the middle would be reason enough for me to stay away.

[vitorolex88]

Maybe I should give more background on the situation:

I own two Breitlings, an Avenger and Navitimer World. I met this gentlemen a few times through my cousin at after-work gatherings and we always discussed watches. I recently expressed interest in buying a Submariner Date after looking at his. He typically wore his Day Date in the past but wore his Sub-C out recently.

He told me he was looking into buying a Sea Dweller and would be willing to part ways with his Sub. He did state though that he was fine not selling it either and via text just this morning, sent me photos of warranty card, books, box etc.

Everything seems to be in the clear, but of course, I trust experienced owners on TRF and wanted to seek input first..

[watchwatcher]

You'll hear this over and over again on TRF: buy the seller first.

In other words, if you don't know for sure, walk away.

[Rolexbiker]

The fakes are so good nowadays they are even "painting" the bezel number inserts platinum. That one looks to have white numbers rather than the grayish on the genuine. Although they do fade to gray out of the light. Take it to an AD for an appraisal.

Even jewelers cannot tell a fake from a $600 replica with a loop. Only by opening the case. Many are using fake 3135 movements as well.

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by vitorolex88

Maybe I should give more background on the situation:

I own two Breitlings, an Avenger and Navitimer World. I met this gentlemen a few times through my cousin at after-work gatherings and we always discussed watches. I recently expressed interest in buying a Submariner Date after looking at his. He typically wore his Day Date in the past but wore his Sub-C out recently.

He told me he was looking into buying a Sea Dweller and would be willing to part ways with his Sub. He did state though that he was fine not selling it either and via text just this morning, sent me photos of warranty card, books, box etc.

Everything seems to be in the clear, but of course, I trust experienced owners on TRF and wanted to seek input first..

It seems like you've made up your mind.

Saying that he doesn't actually care about selling it is just a cheap psychological trick at best.

Maybe he wants to get rid of it because there is an issue with the date. I can't think of a realistic reason why the date would be stuck like that. As others have said, rolex dates snap instantly. So the chances of it being stuck like that without issues are very small.

Three very different pictures from different times aren't enough. You need more than that to go on. Especially when one shows a clear problem.

What price is he asking?