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Old 30 December 2017, 04:33 PM   #1
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Is this PreDaytona's dial REAL ???

I spotted this and could not help but wonder if the dial was real or even close to real.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-s-Vint...IAAOSwnw9aQVu2

I've never seen a PreDaytona with an applied "Rolex" logo on it. In fact, while the 6305 had applied logos, they were much smaller. This watch generally just doesn't look right, and the bottom pusher is certainly not original. But the dial is not so awful that I immediately discount it as fake.

So I'm just curious about whether a PreDaytona 6238 dial ( or 6234 for that matter ) ever had an applied Rolex logo or looked anything like this. Maybe this 6238 is just Franken with a much older dial from the 1950s.

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Old 31 December 2017, 02:50 AM   #2
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I have not found anything similar to that dial style?
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Old 31 December 2017, 04:14 AM   #3
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Old 31 December 2017, 06:26 AM   #4
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Well it may be legit? Need an expert in this area to comment.
I doubt the seller has any idea
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Old 3 January 2018, 03:04 AM   #5
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subdial spacing looks correct for Valjoux. Cant really speak on the dial.
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Old 3 January 2018, 06:03 AM   #6
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It says item no longer available. It sure if sold or removed
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Old 3 January 2018, 06:15 AM   #7
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Item has been pulled
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Old 3 January 2018, 07:20 AM   #8
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Link works fine here.
Shows it sold @ $15,689.

Regarding the watch itself, it looked like a bit of a franken / hatchet job to me. Dial "looks" like a legit early 6238 transitional dial, with correct "dagger" hands, but the ones that I've seen have all had the "anti-magnetic" dial script being level, whereas this one has it curving around the 6 o'clock sub-dial. I know there were several dial variants, so that might be a non-issue. However, the movement looks like it may have been franken'd with some non-original parts though, and that replacement pusher hack job is a travesty, IMO.
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Old 4 January 2018, 08:39 AM   #9
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I have not found any Rolex 6238 dials without a chronometer scale. Only Rolex 6234 dials might have had chronometer scale absent but not with this serial number. So this was real franken at best.
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I have not found any Rolex 6238 dials without a chronometer scale. Only Rolex 6234 dials might have had chronometer scale absent but not with this serial number. So this was real franken at best.
"chronometer"?
Do you mean "tachymetre" scale or a "telemeter"?
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Old 6 January 2018, 04:19 PM   #11
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"chronometer"?
Do you mean "tachymetre" scale or a "telemeter"?
Yup I was a bit intoxicated when I left the last comment. The Rolex 6238 still featured the black or silver monochromatic dial similar to the 6234. The 6238 dials had faceted hour markers, and baton-style hands. Rolex eliminated the telemeter scale entirely from the 6238 for a less cluttered appearance. The tachymeter scale remained, still printed on the dial rather than engraved on the bezel as on the Daytona models. Therefore, I suggest the dial above is not authentic to any 6238 model. I also doubt the 6234 ever featured such a dial as both scales were present on that reference.
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Old 7 January 2018, 08:33 AM   #12
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The Rolex 6238 still featured the black or silver monochromatic dial similar to the 6234. The 6238 dials had faceted hour markers, and baton-style hands. Rolex eliminated the telemeter scale entirely from the 6238 for a less cluttered appearance. The tachymeter scale remained, still printed on the dial rather than engraved on the bezel as on the Daytona models. Therefore, I suggest the dial above is not authentic to any 6238 model. I also doubt the 6234 ever featured such a dial as both scales were present on that reference.
No.

As I mentioned above, many of the early/transitional 6238s had similar ("anti-magnetic" and non-tach) dials, as well as the earlier "dagger" style hands.
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