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Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 01:47 AM

To all you racing boys/classic car nuts
What do you think of water wetters? Do they work? Do they slugge? What kind of coolant mixed do you boys run. Ie tap with antifreeze, distilled with antifreeze, water with wetter etc

Kingair · 25 June 2016, 01:50 AM

No idea if it works . . .

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zdeckich · 25 June 2016, 01:56 AM

water wetter works ok, its more used on race cars. If you run straight water it will run cooler but antifreeze/colant is designed to lube the water pump and keep water from freezing and help the rad and other parts from rusting. If your cooling system is working fine there is no need to add anything. A motor needs to be at a certain temp to run at 100%. too cold or to hot can be bad. Most people thing to run cooler "gain" performance, if its to cold it will hurt the engine and performance. What are you trying to gain from water wetter? Also what kind of car you wanting to put it in? If an older car adding electric fans will help keep it cooler and free up some power. If its a newer car you can add a lower tstat and have it tuned to have the fans come on sooner at a certain temp. Hope this helps, i run 60/40 coolant/distilled water with a 160tstat and tuned for the fans to come on a tad sooner. fans kick on at 160 instead of 185. But i also have heads, cam, built 408 and nitrous. My coolant temp is usually around 185-195.

VaRobot · 25 June 2016, 02:02 AM

Check out Hayabusa.Org and keyword water wetter. Lots of guys use it on their bikes.

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 05:03 AM

It's a 1966 sunbeam tiger, it's a little English two seater sports car (alpine) with a 260ci Ford Winsor engine. I have an engine fan on it and a electric push fan in front of the rad and currently running a tap water antifreeze mix. The car runs very hot, the fuel evaporates and a restart the engine turns slowly. Most Tiger owners fit a hood scoop to allow the hot air out, although I want to keep the original hood.

Ps thanks for the answers guys

Scot_3 · 25 June 2016, 10:29 AM

Love that car , can we ask you to share a couple pics? Sorry but I cannot contribute to your questions.

Andad · 25 June 2016, 11:39 AM

I have used water wetters but could only give you my opinion.

If you want 'facts' use google.

77T · 25 June 2016, 11:45 AM

Water wetter worked for my race cars. It let me run more aero to block up some of the openings.
For street cars it won't achieve max effectiveness because there are different reasons for overheating.

We have folks who still race the Tiger in vintage. It's a beauty.
But your running hot may be more to do with stop/go driving and lower airflow due to that little electric fan actually blocking more airflow than helping it.
You can try WW in a controlled test one day and you'll know for your own circumstances.

Run about for 2 hours and observe your peak temp. Then dump your current radiator mix, flush, then refill with the WW and H2O. Then run about for 2 more hours on same route and watch for peak temp.

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Tools · 25 June 2016, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarandy

It's a 1966 sunbeam tiger, it's a little English two seater sports car (alpine) with a 260ci Ford Winsor engine. I have an engine fan on it and a electric push fan in front of the rad and currently running a tap water antifreeze mix. The car runs very hot, the fuel evaporates and a restart the engine turns slowly. Most Tiger owners fit a hood scoop to allow the hot air out, although I want to keep the original hood.

Ps thanks for the answers guys

Check your timing and mixture.. Too advanced or too lean and you run hot. Then put in a larger radiator and a shroud behind it.. There is no magic liquid..

Sublover2166 · 25 June 2016, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarandy

It's a 1966 sunbeam tiger, it's a little English two seater sports car (alpine) with a 260ci Ford Winsor engine. I have an engine fan on it and a electric push fan in front of the rad and currently running a tap water antifreeze mix. The car runs very hot, the fuel evaporates and a restart the engine turns slowly. Most Tiger owners fit a hood scoop to allow the hot air out, although I want to keep the original hood.

Ps thanks for the answers guys

Cool car, please post a few pics. I would love to have one as a play toy for nice weather.

swatty · 25 June 2016, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarandy

It's a 1966 sunbeam tiger, it's a little English two seater sports car (alpine) with a 260ci Ford Winsor engine. I have an engine fan on it and a electric push fan in front of the rad and currently running a tap water antifreeze mix. The car runs very hot, the fuel evaporates and a restart the engine turns slowly. Most Tiger owners fit a hood scoop to allow the hot air out, although I want to keep the original hood.

Ps thanks for the answers guys

Water wetter won't cure a cooling system fault. Have you checked if your radiator is blocked etc. I've even seen cars with electrics fans wired incorectly the blow in the opposite direction of the engine fan leaving the radiator gasping for air in the middle.

J!m · 25 June 2016, 01:33 PM

I run the red line brand stuff in my BMW. I always use distilled/deionized water in radiators and batteries. No sense adding other dissolved elements to a system that these days have pretty much every metal on the periodic table in your coolant system plus rubber and plastic.

No facts to say it's better or not. My cooling system is working so the fans and thermostat keep things rock solid year round.

I agree with better pull fan and shroud advice. See if you can get a rad with a thicker core (triple or quadruple) in the same physical size package.

As a side note, my big block belvedere ran hot and I removed the thermostat which made it worse. Once I gutted a thermostat to create a restricted plate, things improved. Make sure you don't have a situation where the coolant is moving too slowly and you have localized boiling. Once the steam film is created the heat cannot conduct into the water and it runs away to overheating like a chain reaction.

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatty

Water wetter won't cure a cooling system fault. Have you checked if your radiator is blocked etc. I've even seen cars with electrics fans wired incorectly the blow in the opposite direction of the engine fan leaving the radiator gasping for air in the middle.

Had the rad rebuild, will check the direction of fan blow I doubt it's wrong, but if it is I will bang myself on the head the appropriate amount of times

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J!m

I run the red line brand stuff in my BMW. I always use distilled/deionized water in radiators and batteries. No sense adding other dissolved elements to a system that these days have pretty much every metal on the periodic table in your coolant system plus rubber and plastic.

No facts to say it's better or not. My cooling system is working so the fans and thermostat keep things rock solid year round.

I agree with better pull fan and shroud advice. See if you can get a rad with a thicker core (triple or quadruple) in the same physical size package.

As a side note, my big block belvedere ran hot and I removed the thermostat which made it worse. Once I gutted a thermostat to create a restricted plate, things improved. Make sure you don't have a situation where the coolant is moving too slowly and you have localized boiling. Once the steam film is created the heat cannot conduct into the water and it runs away to overheating like a chain reaction.

Bloody hell, i think I did take the stat out many years ago. Must check

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Check your timing and mixture.. Too advanced or too lean and you run hot. Then put in a larger radiator and a shroud behind it.. There is no magic liquid..

Nice shout, I'm so busy trying to find a tricy problem I over looked the basic

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:39 PM

Thanks for all replys

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:41 PM

Could load lots of pics in one go sorry

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:43 PM

Not a lot of room in here

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 07:53 PM

For years I kept it locked up, until I had an accident and was lucky to be able to walk. So now I enjoy it like a youngster lol

68camaro · 25 June 2016, 08:25 PM

Beautiful car.......

Tarandy · 25 June 2016, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68camaro

Beautiful car.......

Thanks, but with a name like that I feel you should have replied with some pictures?????????please

azguy · 25 June 2016, 11:42 PM

Put an oil cooler on it, that'll help bigtime

Tarandy · 5 July 2016, 11:35 PM

Well put a flex a fan on it (you can really notice the change in dimensions when sped up) and checked/adjusted timing (was a long way out thanks 'TOOLS') and she ran perfect

keschete · 6 July 2016, 09:15 AM

Awesome car!

Sublover2166 · 6 July 2016, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarandy

For years I kept it locked up, until I had an accident and was lucky to be able to walk. So now I enjoy it like a youngster lol

That's a beauty there mate!

gulfstream69xr7 · 6 July 2016, 10:22 PM

Put a shroud on it, or get the fan closer to the radiator. Small block fords will run hot with that much space between the fan and rad, especially if you have no shroud. My SBF temperature problems vanished when I changed the spacer width and got my fan right up to the radiator. I run a worked over 351 with a 390/428 fan, and the fan is about 3/8 of an inch from the radiator. Engine never ever runs hot, even in July heat. You are not pulling enough air through the radiator, and to much air around it. And if you don't have a T stat in it, put one in.

Hpozzuoli · 6 July 2016, 10:43 PM

50/50 with tap or I buy pre mixed. The coolant does more than cool so be careful.

I just bothered reading the thread and seeing the pics...beautiful car!! Tight in that engine compartment. You have a clutch fan and it is facing the correct way.

Tarandy · 20 March 2019, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulfstream69xr7

Put a shroud on it, or get the fan closer to the radiator. Small block fords will run hot with that much space between the fan and rad, especially if you have no shroud. My SBF temperature problems vanished when I changed the spacer width and got my fan right up to the radiator. I run a worked over 351 with a 390/428 fan, and the fan is about 3/8 of an inch from the radiator. Engine never ever runs hot, even in July heat. You are not pulling enough air through the radiator, and to much air around it. And if you don't have a T stat in it, put one in.

Wow Sir the difference a shroud made is unbelievable. Thanks for advice

goin camping · 21 March 2019, 12:29 PM

I suspect the design of the Sunbeam engine compartment is to blame.

My Sunbeam Alpines (4cyl) all overheated here in California. Had to fit in a larger radiator to keep the temp where it needed to be.

Question Tarandy. Is your Tiger positive ground?

Best to you in solving the problem.

Tarandy · 26 April 2019, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goin camping

I suspect the design of the Sunbeam engine compartment is to blame.

My Sunbeam Alpines (4cyl) all overheated here in California. Had to fit in a larger radiator to keep the temp where it needed to be.

Question Tarandy. Is your Tiger positive ground?

Best to you in solving the problem.

Hi there
No it's negative ground. The cooling is all sorted now it had the flexy fan but no shroud, with a shroud fitted it really pulls the air though the rad

25 June 2016, 01:47 AM	#1
Tarandy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: England Posts: 370	Facts not opinions please To all you racing boys/classic car nuts What do you think of water wetters? Do they work? Do they slugge? What kind of coolant mixed do you boys run. Ie tap with antifreeze, distilled with antifreeze, water with wetter etc

25 June 2016, 01:56 AM	#3
zdeckich "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Zak Location: Fort Worth, TX Watch: Rolex 114300 Posts: 290	water wetter works ok, its more used on race cars. If you run straight water it will run cooler but antifreeze/colant is designed to lube the water pump and keep water from freezing and help the rad and other parts from rusting. If your cooling system is working fine there is no need to add anything. A motor needs to be at a certain temp to run at 100%. too cold or to hot can be bad. Most people thing to run cooler "gain" performance, if its to cold it will hurt the engine and performance. What are you trying to gain from water wetter? Also what kind of car you wanting to put it in? If an older car adding electric fans will help keep it cooler and free up some power. If its a newer car you can add a lower tstat and have it tuned to have the fans come on sooner at a certain temp. Hope this helps, i run 60/40 coolant/distilled water with a 160tstat and tuned for the fans to come on a tad sooner. fans kick on at 160 instead of 185. But i also have heads, cam, built 408 and nitrous. My coolant temp is usually around 185-195. __________________ You don't tell the time, you show the time.

25 June 2016, 10:29 AM	#6
Scot_3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Scot Location: USA Watch: 1966 boyscout Posts: 914	Love that car , can we ask you to share a couple pics? Sorry but I cannot contribute to your questions. __________________ Thanks Scot

25 June 2016, 11:39 AM	#7
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,792	I have used water wetters but could only give you my opinion. If you want 'facts' use google. __________________ E

25 June 2016, 11:45 AM	#8
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,694	Facts not opinions please Water wetter worked for my race cars. It let me run more aero to block up some of the openings. For street cars it won't achieve max effectiveness because there are different reasons for overheating. We have folks who still race the Tiger in vintage. It's a beauty. But your running hot may be more to do with stop/go driving and lower airflow due to that little electric fan actually blocking more airflow than helping it. You can try WW in a controlled test one day and you'll know for your own circumstances. Run about for 2 hours and observe your peak temp. Then dump your current radiator mix, flush, then refill with the WW and H2O. Then run about for 2 more hours on same route and watch for peak temp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

25 June 2016, 02:02 AM	#4
VaRobot "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Real Name: John Location: I'm Done Watch: Mark IV Red Sub Posts: 854	Check out Hayabusa.Org and keyword water wetter. Lots of guys use it on their bikes.

25 June 2016, 05:03 AM	#5
Tarandy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: England Posts: 370	It's a 1966 sunbeam tiger, it's a little English two seater sports car (alpine) with a 260ci Ford Winsor engine. I have an engine fan on it and a electric push fan in front of the rad and currently running a tap water antifreeze mix. The car runs very hot, the fuel evaporates and a restart the engine turns slowly. Most Tiger owners fit a hood scoop to allow the hot air out, although I want to keep the original hood. Ps thanks for the answers guys

25 June 2016, 01:33 PM	#12
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,813	I run the red line brand stuff in my BMW. I always use distilled/deionized water in radiators and batteries. No sense adding other dissolved elements to a system that these days have pretty much every metal on the periodic table in your coolant system plus rubber and plastic. No facts to say it's better or not. My cooling system is working so the fans and thermostat keep things rock solid year round. I agree with better pull fan and shroud advice. See if you can get a rad with a thicker core (triple or quadruple) in the same physical size package. As a side note, my big block belvedere ran hot and I removed the thermostat which made it worse. Once I gutted a thermostat to create a restricted plate, things improved. Make sure you don't have a situation where the coolant is moving too slowly and you have localized boiling. Once the steam film is created the heat cannot conduct into the water and it runs away to overheating like a chain reaction.

25 June 2016, 08:25 PM	#20
68camaro "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA! Posts: 862	Beautiful car.......

25 June 2016, 11:42 PM	#22
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Put an oil cooler on it, that'll help bigtime

5 July 2016, 11:35 PM	#23
Tarandy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: England Posts: 370	Well put a flex a fan on it (you can really notice the change in dimensions when sped up) and checked/adjusted timing (was a long way out thanks 'TOOLS') and she ran perfect

6 July 2016, 09:15 AM	#24
keschete "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Kaya Location: Louisiana Watch: 116500 Posts: 3,575	Awesome car! __________________ GMT II BLNR, Submariner, Submariner Serti, Datejust, Daytona C, TT Yacht Master, Hulk Submariner, Pepsi GMT II

6 July 2016, 10:22 PM	#26
gulfstream69xr7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Medford NJ Watch: TAG Rolex Posts: 948	Put a shroud on it, or get the fan closer to the radiator. Small block fords will run hot with that much space between the fan and rad, especially if you have no shroud. My SBF temperature problems vanished when I changed the spacer width and got my fan right up to the radiator. I run a worked over 351 with a 390/428 fan, and the fan is about 3/8 of an inch from the radiator. Engine never ever runs hot, even in July heat. You are not pulling enough air through the radiator, and to much air around it. And if you don't have a T stat in it, put one in.

6 July 2016, 10:43 PM	#27
Hpozzuoli Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Henry Location: Rhode Island Watch: Rolex Posts: 990	50/50 with tap or I buy pre mixed. The coolant does more than cool so be careful. I just bothered reading the thread and seeing the pics...beautiful car!! Tight in that engine compartment. You have a clutch fan and it is facing the correct way.

21 March 2019, 12:29 PM	#29
goin camping "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Milo Location: Mojave Desert Posts: 922	I suspect the design of the Sunbeam engine compartment is to blame. My Sunbeam Alpines (4cyl) all overheated here in California. Had to fit in a larger radiator to keep the temp where it needed to be. Question Tarandy. Is your Tiger positive ground? Best to you in solving the problem.

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