!4060 Vs 14060m

[Serenty03]

I recently purchased a Sub Nd from an AD. He told me that he just received the watch from Rolex. I told him I was looking for the 14060m( which I think should have the chapter ring,and Superlative Chronometer written of the face of the watch). When I received the watch it was a 14060 with no chapter or Chronometer. I then see that in our for sale section there is a 14060m,with paperwork stamped May 08. I an confused with the situation. Is the 14060m the newest nd sub that rolex is shipping? Or is it something we can expect in the near future, like later this month? The Ad I bought this watch from is out of state so I don't know how I should approach the situation. I want the 14060m, not the 14060. Any help, clarification, or guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Ed Rooney]

What is your serial number (just the letter and first few digits)?

I imagine it is a non-cosc 14060M. 14060 has not been produced for years.

[Serenty03]

This Ad told me it just came .Z705
I would like to send this back and get the 14060m

[Tools]

14060M is a model number and has been since about 2000. The previous model - 14060 - was made in 1989 through 1999 and had the 3000 movement rather than the 3130 movement.

Do not confuse the model number with the latest serial numbers that start with an M.

And no, all "M" serial number 14060M's do not have the engraved rehaut or the COSC ink on the dial.

[Ed Rooney]

It is a 14060M if the serial begins with Z.

The Z serial makes sense if it just arrived at the AD. Z is still in production.

No worries. Enjoy your watch.

[Serenty03]

The Style # reads 14060, and it doesn't have the chapter ring nor the Chrono cert written on the face of the watch. Are there any 14060m's with a Z serial number?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

The Style # reads 14060, and it doesn't have the chapter ring nor the Chrono cert written on the face of the watch. Are there any 14060m's with a Z serial number?

You can find 14060M, non-date Subs with serial numbers starting with "P", "K", "Y", "F", "D", "Z", and "M".

Only the very latest "Z" models and the latest "M" models will be COSC dials and have the engraved rehaut.

Here's where you find the model number....The paperwork is not authoritative

[Ed Rooney]

Post pics of the watch and the paperwork. Fuzz out the last few digits of the serial number.

I still think you are ok, as long as your "AD" wasn't ebay or shawncivic21.

[Serenty03]

So it isnt possible that the Ad that I purchased this from just recieved it from rolex? Because it is a "Z" with no chapter ring or chrono written on the face

[Serenty03]

Only the very latest "Z" models and the latest "M" models will be COSC dials and have the engraved rehaut.
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As tools states I should have the cosc dial

[Tools]

I wouldn't want to get into any finger pointing at an AD for this. It is possible that he just got in a "Z" model from New York without the COSC. They will just ship whatever is on the shelf unless he specifies. Rolex USA does not differentiate one serial number from another, only models. If you want something specific, you have to tell them or they give you the next box in line.

[Serenty03]

Okay I understand thanks for your help. In your opinon is the chapter ring chrono version more of a potential collectors model?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

Okay I understand thanks for your help. In your opinon is the chapter ring chrono version more of a potential collectors model?

This one could be debated until the cows come home..

Let's say that from this point forward, all ND Subs have the engraving and COSC, and the run is 10 years. This could mean that a "Z" model without the COSC dial would be in the present 8 year run of the Non COSC 14060M, and potentially the more rare model..

On the other hand, if all Subs went ceramic next year, the COSC/engraved model would become a "transitional" and potentially a sought after piece.

As a third possibility, the non COSC is the last of the original "5513" appearing models. The 5513 is the most collected and sought after Sub on the planet, so it follows that the plain-jane 14060 and 14060M could fill that niche in a decade or two.

Of course, a true collector would have one of each.

[Serenty03]

Okay Larry:
Thanks for the reponse, now I am more confused. I just felt like maybe I was decived by the AD as he said this was brand new, but it seems like that could be true because the nd "z's " are coming through both ways at the present. Which one would you and fellow TRF'ers perfer? I would love to know

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

Okay Larry:
Thanks for the reponse, now I am more confused. I just felt like maybe I was decived by the AD as he said this was brand new, but it seems like that could be true because the nd "z's " are coming through both ways at the present. Which one would you and fellow TRF'ers perfer? I would love to know

Some people are only satisfied with the "latest and greatest".

As a modest watch collector, I would never get rid of my 14060M and it does not have the engraving or the COSC dial. In my view, it is the last example of what probably started Rolex down the road to having the most famous diver in the world. And, apparently, they won't be making any more..

If the new COSC dial grows on me, my bet is that it will be available and plentiful for a few more years at least..

[Serenty03]

Great! thanks! would anyone else like to share?

[Mr Sandman]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

Okay I understand thanks for your help. In your opinon is the chapter ring chrono version more of a potential collectors model?

I have a non date 14060M dated 2001....If I was you I'd keep it...One of the last 14060 non COSC models for sure....If you read some of the previous posts these are very hard to get now

Enjoy your watch

[Serenty03]

Thanks Mr Sandman, anyone else?

[boa2]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

Great! thanks! would anyone else like to share?

Here's my Z 14060M...no RRR, no COSC...and that makes me happy.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Serenty03

Thanks Mr Sandman, anyone else?

What you have is a Sub 14060M but without the COSC rating. But it has the SAME movement (Cal. 3130) as the COSC rated version that ALSO is called 14060M.

Only difference is that the (SAME) Cal. 3130 has been COSC rated in the 14060M (COSC) where it says "Superlative Chronomer Officially Certified" on the dial. Also, the COSC rated version - as stated - will have the RBR (Rolex Branded Rehaut).

[DSJ]

Originally Posted by boa2

Here's my Z 14060M...no RRR, no COSC...and that makes me happy.

You still have one Boa? I considered purchase of a 14060M from Boa, and many other sources, before ending up with the purchase of my Explorer II. My brother has a 14060M (non COSC) and loves it! It's so clean and uncluttered without the "novella." Based on my current stable, my preference would be to own a non COSC. If it were my ONLY Rolex, I'm not sure, I may be inclined towards the more flashy COSC version.

And I concur with the others that the AD was NOT trying to snow you, they sent you what they received. You needed to specify the COSC version.

IMO, enjoy your watch, and if you're hankering for a COSC watch later on down the road, ALL other Submariner/SD models and ALL other sport Rolex watches in current and recent productions are COSC.

Welcome to TRF!

[Chappy]

My watch was a gift , so increase in value is not a motive , but IMO the sub line will get the ceremic makeover and the COSC version with Rolex stamped will be rare

Whatever you decide , be honest with your AD and see what he\she says

[boa2]

Originally Posted by DSJ

You still have one Boa?

Yep. After 4 people committed and then flaked, I decided to wear it. It's a great watch.

Well put, David. It's doubtful the AD was playing games. Personally, I like the non-COSC version because it has a more vintage aesthetic to it.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

[wust588]

I personally prefer my non-Cosc 14060M purely because it is without ( IMO ) the extra writing ie " Superlative Chronometer- Officially Certified ", very pretentious to me. Why not just simply Chronometer ?
I have a 1665 SD with this " label " and every time I see it, I think how silly it looks.
John.

[ian99]

Hi guys been lurking but thought I'd finally add.

I have a 14060 1996 T serial. I love mine, Its awesome, uncomplicated and of course is a design icon! It shows some signs of life's dents n bumps but it is about 12 years old! I received it back from a service 26-04-08 so took a photo

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Welcome to TRF, Ian!

Very nice 14060!

Hold well onto that one! Imho, the Tritium Sub ND will become very collectable!

Good call that the dial (and hands, I suppose) was not exchanged! The luminous dot on the bezel looks like the original one, as well!

[Solo118]

I use to have a K serial 14060 M

[ian99]

Cheers mate i did request not to change them. Its strange i love new pristine watches but i cant bring myself to change even the bezel insert on this

[Markg]

Originally Posted by Tools

I wouldn't want to get into any finger pointing at an AD for this. It is possible that he just got in a "Z" model from New York without the COSC. They will just ship whatever is on the shelf unless he specifies. Rolex USA does not differentiate one serial number from another, only models. If you want something specific, you have to tell them or they give you the next box in line.

i asked my AD about this (requesting a specific serial series; specifically i wanted an M version of a particular watch when i knew they were shipping both Ms and Zs). they called the rep, and were told rolex sent them out in order, and wouldnt take requests. in other words, you get what you get.

they ended up sending an M serial, so they werent making excuses. fyi for what its worth.

[DSJ]

Originally Posted by boa2

Yep. After 4 people committed and then flaked, I decided to wear it. It's a great watch.

Well put, David. It's doubtful the AD was playing games. Personally, I like the non-COSC version because it has a more vintage aesthetic to it.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Hey, I'm actually glad you decided to keep it! It IS a great watch, and in my limited dealings with you, you seem like a great guy! I'll have to let you know next time I'm in Sacto - maybe we can hook up!