16610LN with Kermit Bezel

[themacman]

A have a 2000's 16610LN Submariner.

Thinking about adding a Kermit dial for a change up.

I know the dial and hands are different on the LN to the LV. The LV has the maxi dial.

Just wondering if anyone has tried this and how does it look?

Thanks

[padi56]

Originally Posted by themacman

A have a 2000's 16610LN Submariner.

Thinking about adding a Kermit dial for a change up.

I know the dial and hands are different on the LN to the LV. The LV has the maxi dial.

Just wondering if anyone has tried this and how does it look?

Thanks

Well you could not get the genuine Rolex parts to do this from Rolex, cheapest option sells the LN and buy a LV.

[themacman]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well you could not get the genuine Rolex parts to do this from Rolex, cheapest option sells the LN and buy a LV.

I’ve seen them listed on this forum classified section.

My submariner may be worth $9000 tops. Kermit’s are $13k

[padi56]

Originally Posted by themacman

I’ve seen them listed on this forum classified section.

My submariner may be worth $9000 tops. Kermit’s are $13k

But then you would have a genuine LV watch and not franken watch, and doubt if you could get a genuine dial or insert as Rolex would not sell them to you.And genuine green LV inserts are now only through RSC for genuine LV watches.

[themacman]

Originally Posted by padi56

But then you would have a genuine LV watch and not franken watch, and doubt if you could get a genuine dial or insert as Rolex would not sell them to you.And genuine green LV inserts are now only through RSC for genuine LV watches.

I wouldn’t want to change the dial or hands.

Was hoping that others had put the Kermit bezel on the non-maxi Sub and could share pics.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by themacman

I wouldn’t want to change the dial or hands.

Was hoping that others had put the Kermit bezel on the non-maxi Sub and could share pics.

Like I stated genuine LV inserts are only available through RSC for genuine LV watches only .

[slus]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=937961

It's your watch, do what makes you happy.

RSC would take issue with it at service time, swap it back beforehand

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Bro, it's the same case design in its entirety, with one exception. The LV was always exclusive to the transitional 16610 (stamped 16610T) with NO lug holes.

Your sub, assuming before 04', will have a holes case. In terms of dimensionality it is the same and will look like a kermit, but will always be wrong.

If you have a F serial or later sub date, nobody will know the difference, including yourself. The differences truly just come down to the maxi hands and hour markers on the dial, and the insert.

Would I do it though? Not a chance... Just sell your LN; buy an LV and then get an LN insert from RSC that you can then swap out when you want the LN look.

Two "correct" watches in one. Makes little sense in my mind to "franken" a gen watch. Dial, hands and insert (which Rolex will NOT sell you btw...) are pretty damn expensive - they are very strict about Kermits because of JUST this... people trying to pawn off an LN as an LV for profit...

So then, you're paying AT LEAST 3K USD to acquire those necessary LV parts on a marketplace like C24 or ebay or maybe here...

Sell the watch; buy an LV. Simple maths, mate ~

[thesharkfactor]

Plenty of folk put a black bezel on an LV, seen that lots. No reason why you can't do it the other way. You'll find a bezel on ebay.

Why bother.. the LN is far more versatile than green.

[spacebjorn]

Do what makes you happy, get an LV insert if you want even if it's not going to look original.

The obsession with having every original parts down to the spring bars is unnecessary

[spacebjorn]

Do what makes you happy, get an LV insert if you want even if it's not going to look original.

The obsession with having authentic parts down to the spring bars is unnecessary

[themacman]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

Bro, it's the same case design in its entirety, with one exception. The LV was always exclusive to the transitional 16610 (stamped 16610T) with NO lug holes.

Your sub, assuming before 04', will have a holes case. In terms of dimensionality it is the same and will look like a kermit, but will always be wrong.

If you have a F serial or later sub date, nobody will know the difference, including yourself. The differences truly just come down to the maxi hands and hour markers on the dial, and the insert.

Would I do it though? Not a chance... Just sell your LN; buy an LV and then get an LN insert from RSC that you can then swap out when you want the LN look.

Two "correct" watches in one. Makes little sense in my mind to "franken" a gen watch. Dial, hands and insert (which Rolex will NOT sell you btw...) are pretty damn expensive - they are very strict about Kermits because of JUST this... people trying to pawn off an LN as an LV for profit...

So then, you're paying AT LEAST 3K USD to acquire those necessary LV parts on a marketplace like C24 or ebay or maybe here...

Sell the watch; buy an LV. Simple maths, mate ~

I dont get why its fine to get a LV, then ask for a LN Bezel. This will also have the incorrect dial. That would cost circa 4k to swap watches, then whatever it costs at RSC for a LN bezel.

In my mind, better to get a LV bezel from the classifieds or ebay. I already know it wont have the maxi. That is not an issue for me.

I started to thread asking if anyone had done it and for pics.

[themacman]

Originally Posted by slus

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=937961

It's your watch, do what makes you happy.

RSC would take issue with it at service time, swap it back beforehand

Thanks for the link. Looks good.

[themacman]

Originally Posted by spacebjorn

Do what makes you happy, get an LV insert if you want even if it's not going to look original.

The obsession with having authentic parts down to the spring bars is unnecessary

Thanks. A lot of snobbery going around.

Is anyone bothered when 16710 owner swap over their black / coke / pepsi bezels?

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Originally Posted by themacman

Thanks. A lot of snobbery going around.

Is anyone bothered when 16710 owner swap over their black / coke / pepsi bezels?

Hell no! As I expect a 16710/16700 owner to do. Would be weird if you didn't lol.

Also, misinterpreted your intentions in the original post, OP.

I assumed you wanted dial and hands as well. If all you're after is a green insert, go for it!

I like a "shark" insert every now and again too! Check it out!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by spacebjorn

Do what makes you happy, get an LV insert if you want even if it's not going to look original.

The obsession with having every original parts down to the spring bars is unnecessary

But its very doubtful anyone could source a genuine Rolex green insert as these are now RSC only and exchange for genuine LV watches only.

[travisb]

I'd much rather have a full factory LV than a modded LN.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by themacman

Thanks. A lot of snobbery going around.

Is anyone bothered when 16710 owner swap over their black / coke / pepsi bezels?

That's because when the 16710 came out in 1988/9 it was designed for easy bezel change. And from then to the mid 2010 you could get all 3 inserts easily from Rolex at very little cost and DIY change. But that's stopped now especially on the 16610LV main reason it stopped those wanting to change insert black to green and visa versa and why the green aluminium insert is silly money $300 plus and Rolex exchange only.

[Newt]

I did it on my 1999 a-serial. I don’t know why anyone cares. You’re putting a genuine Rolex part on a genuine Rolex watch and getting a new look. It’s fun. Lighten up. I know it’s not a real LV. Who cares. It’s the watch my mom gave me when I got back from overseas as a kid. I also put a 79200 bracelet on it. It’s excellent.

Newt

[jtorrebl]

I did it on my 1991 sub. I bought an Oem bezel and ring holder about 2 years ago. So I wouldn’t damage it upon installing it and reversing back to stock. Bought the set on eBay for about $1000. Had it for about 1-2 years but really wanted a real LV. Once I got my 2008 16610LV. I reverted my original 16610 back to black. I then sold the set for about $900 back on eBay.
Originally I bought a fake cheap set on eBay but it didn’t look or turn smoothly when installed so never used it. Defiantly go factory .

[Andad]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

Hell no! As I expect a 16710/16700 owner to do. Would be weird if you didn't lol.

Also, misinterpreted your intentions in the original post, OP.

I assumed you wanted dial and hands as well. If all you're after is a green insert, go for it!

I like a "shark" insert every now and again too! Check it out!

You have mentioned 'hands' in a few posts.

Only the minute 'hand' on my 16610LV is wider.

[jtorrebl]

Originally Posted by Andad

You have mentioned 'hands' in a few posts.

Only the minute 'hand' on my 16610LV is wider.

False look closer it’s well documented both hands are larger.

You know what looking at them. The hour hands do look the same. Sorry late night dark pics.

Also check out my black bezel. I was able to source an original 1991 flat round and flat 5 black bezel. RSC swapped my original black bezel in the late 90s. This bezel has some slight fade. By flat 5 I mean there is a 5 numeral that when written goes down then up to finish the curve at the bottom like the green bezel. My 5 takes a 90 degree turn as the stick goes down and right to finish the loop.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Originally Posted by Andad

You have mentioned 'hands' in a few posts.

Only the minute 'hand' on my 16610LV is wider.

Yes I know it’s just the wider minute hand - I use “hands” loosely.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Originally Posted by themacman

I dont get why its fine to get a LV, then ask for a LN Bezel. This will also have the incorrect dial. That would cost circa 4k to swap watches, then whatever it costs at RSC for a LN bezel.

In my mind, better to get a LV bezel from the classifieds or ebay. I already know it wont have the maxi. That is not an issue for me.

I started to thread asking if anyone had done it and for pics.

Back in the day this was fairly common and Rolex ADs would swap LV inserts out for LNs on request - you could have both and go back and forth. The old school boys know what I’m talking about.

Go for the bezel, it’s a nice look!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

Yes I know it’s just the wider minute hand - I use “hands” loosely.

Of course you knew….But reading how specific your posts are …..

Your OCD doesn’t extend to hands? NPI.

I have a 16610 bezel with insert that I bought years ago if I ever wanted to have a change up but it still sits in its box.

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Not the biggest fan of written communication for exactly this reason… but we do our best. Nobody’s perfect

[Andad]

Originally Posted by 0nly5iv3Digits

Not the biggest fan of written communication for exactly this reason… but we do our best. Nobody’s perfect

What ??