ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
19 January 2021, 05:38 PM | #31 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Europe
Posts: 45
|
Quote:
I have gotten used to things generally not being available so when an AD does have the exact watch you want in stock and available to purchase, it's often a case of 'buy it here on the spot or join a waitlist and wait for an unknown period of time before you get it'. I am really not an impulse buyer and prefer to do a lot of thinking and research before making a purchase so I avoid buying on the spot if I can. The Lange was not one that I had my eye on. I didn't visit the AD to view it (as I was there for something else) but it was shown to me after the SA (who did a great job!) understood what I was looking for in particular. I now notice it's still in my head and I'm still loving it after seeing it recently (which is a great sign to me). |
|
19 January 2021, 06:46 PM | #32 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Marikina
Posts: 2,561
|
JLC are great watches. I think no need to describe it as poor man’s patek.
|
20 January 2021, 12:06 AM | #33 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Steven
Location: Glocal
Posts: 19,452
|
Quote:
Oh man.... i sooooooooooooo 'get you' there. Been there, done that. You KNOW what that means, in your heart... so i look fwd to wrist pics when you get it
__________________
__________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory. |
|
20 January 2021, 03:55 AM | #34 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: FL
Posts: 667
|
I don’t view any brand as a poor man’s patek. But in my view JLC is not an attractive brand as it is today. They failed to maintain the most iconic Reverso line. Did all sorts of drastic changes to it - started with the tribute ultra thin models, discontinue them a few years later, backpedaling to the current standard models. We used to be able to have regular straps on any reverso. Now, it has to be the Casa Fagliano style strap to cover up the unsightly lugs. Ordering those specific model straps, even the non-casa Fagliano ones, is an ordeal.
They also seem to revamp their sports model every few years. The current Polaris line is the best looking they have had. They should settle on a design and evolve... Then there is the service. Any small complication (eg dual time) will cost you over $1, but that’s not the big issue. Last time I sent one in. Took 4 tries. Twice, the watch came back stopped after couple days of wearing. I have owned 4 or 5 over the years and still have one, but I don’t think I’ll touch them again until they find their own values. Being a good movement making is not enough. Brands are undervalued, in the long run, for a reason. Buy the Patek you love :-) |
20 January 2021, 04:04 AM | #35 |
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Real Name: Alex
Location: Old continent
Posts: 2,317
|
Jaeger poor man's Patek?
JLC is everything but poor man something, it’s stands proud for the craftsmanship, heritage and history of watchmaking.
Patek is in a league of his own but this is not making JLC any bad or low value. If one wants to be seen wearing a PP then the problem is beyond watches If one love PP for what they represents then happiness will come only when will have it. There is nothing you can replace for Reverso for example |
20 January 2021, 04:43 AM | #36 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: May 2011
Real Name: Kevin
Location: Tornado Alley
Posts: 3,212
|
|
20 January 2021, 04:52 AM | #37 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,584
|
I bought a JLC around 15 years ago...it's ok nothing special
|
20 January 2021, 06:15 AM | #38 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Steven
Location: Glocal
Posts: 19,452
|
Quote:
PS: Been eyeing Bovet too... interesting stuff that you rarely see at WIS meetings. Too many of the typical stuff at WIS meetings, so dare to be different
__________________
__________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory. |
|
20 January 2021, 04:10 PM | #39 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: NYC
Posts: 425
|
Quote:
The new Mariner collection is a sign of life but there's a long road ahead to get back to where they were. I'm cautiously optimistic they can turn things around. They've been around near on two centuries, a few bad years is a blip, they can right the ship. |
|
20 January 2021, 08:46 PM | #40 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Santa Fe
Posts: 1,857
|
Quote:
|
|
20 January 2021, 08:56 PM | #41 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Real Name: Lach
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 759
|
I have heard only positive reviews for JLC. The inner workings are considered to be superior to a Rolex movement. (Dependant upon the model).
__________________
Explorer 2-Polar Omega Seamaster Quartz |
20 January 2021, 10:38 PM | #42 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Middle East
Posts: 1,809
|
Why does it have to be a poor man's anything? JLC watches are amazing in their own right.
|
20 January 2021, 11:04 PM | #43 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Steven
Location: Glocal
Posts: 19,452
|
Quote:
Considering the comparison in quality and service of both companies, Patek is a rich man's JLC.
__________________
__________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory. |
|
21 January 2021, 12:48 AM | #44 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: NYC
Posts: 425
|
|
21 January 2021, 05:57 AM | #45 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: FL
Posts: 667
|
Quote:
Did you request a free shipping label? At least they cover the shipping cost for returned repairs :-) |
|
21 January 2021, 08:30 AM | #46 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: California
Posts: 2,176
|
Quote:
|
|
21 January 2021, 09:02 AM | #47 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Santa Fe
Posts: 1,857
|
The chronograph would stop, for no apparent reason, while I had it running although the watch would continue to function. They fixed it on the third try and it has been working ever since. That was about six years ago.
|
21 January 2021, 09:18 AM | #48 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: NYC
Posts: 425
|
Quote:
Honestly, mistakes happen, things can get rattled in shipping, and they are complicated watches, but not so much as a peep from JLC. No apology, no reassurance that it will get taken care of once and for all, no shame really at doing a shoddy job. We're not talking about forgetting the pickles on a big mac here. If a watch company doesn't value their watches and fans enough to service them thoroughly, how are customers supposed to value them? |
|
21 January 2021, 10:42 AM | #49 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: albuquerque, nm
Posts: 107
|
JLC or Patek
Quote:
The OP mentioned a Master Control, but I'd like to take a look at, say a precious metal MUT vs a Patek 5227 (which I own). The MUT might be bought for ca. $12k, the 5227 for $24k. He frugally buys the JLC while still lusting for the Patek. The proud new owner puts the MUT on his wrist, grabs a scotch and sits down in satisfaction. As he gazes at it, he knows in his heart of hearts that the MUT is but a way station to his real goal of owning the 5227 so, while he's very much enjoying his new arrival, he vows to begin saving to buy the Patek in fours years time. He figures that in four years, the Patek will be worth $26k, so he begins saving $291/mo., which will equal $14k, enough to trade the JLC for the Patek. In 2025, he goes to trade the MUT in but, as we all know, receives only $9k in trade, so in addition to the $14k he's saved up, he now needs another $3k. Oh, well, the Patek is worth it. Total expenditure that day, in addition to the original MUT purchase, is $17k, for a total of $29k. In the alternative, he decides today to purchase the 5227 for $24k, giving $12k as his down payment, and borrowing the balance of $12k on his HELOC at 4% interest. He now proudly goes home, pours a scotch, contemplates his monthly payments, but revels in the Patek's incomparably creamy dial and the fabulous hinged back. His payments are $270/mo for 48 months and he's lives happily ever after. He's now spent $26k plus interest of $960, for a total investment of $26,960. Let's consider: First, life is short, and he's enjoyed his 5227 grail four four extra years. No offense to JLC aficionados, they're excellent watches, but the Patek is far superior. Second, he's saved money. Finis. |
|
21 January 2021, 12:06 PM | #50 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 3,248
|
Quote:
Despite that, I still want a classic Calatrava one day, likely the 5196. My local Rolex AD is also a JLC dealer (among others) and every time I go to look for Rolex/Omega, I easily get distracted by the JLC counter (MUT and Reverso). A Reverso is number 3 on my list of next watches to purchase. |
|
21 January 2021, 12:17 PM | #51 | ||
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Real Name: Chris
Location: USA
Watch: ingMe,WatchingYou.
Posts: 1,462
|
Quote:
Quote:
i'd say 90%+ of people are completely brainwashed when it comes to ascertaining the quality of watches because they invariably correlate it to resale value and hype thx for sharing. i believe it. did you see the GS to PP comparison pics ? |
||
21 January 2021, 12:18 PM | #52 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Real Name: Chris
Location: USA
Watch: ingMe,WatchingYou.
Posts: 1,462
|
Quote:
|
|
21 January 2021, 12:19 PM | #53 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2020
Real Name: Chris
Location: USA
Watch: ingMe,WatchingYou.
Posts: 1,462
|
Quote:
nah |
|
21 January 2021, 08:22 PM | #54 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Santa Fe
Posts: 1,857
|
Why is there no comparison?
Last edited by cascavel; 21 January 2021 at 08:23 PM.. Reason: Spelling. |
21 January 2021, 09:32 PM | #55 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Australia
Watch: RolexOmegaJLC
Posts: 466
|
I bought the new JLC master calendar with the jumping date at 6 o clock and Im loving it. The finishing is great and it is unique unique on its own. I dont think its a poor mans patek since JLC used to supply movement to most of high end brands such as AP, vacheron and patek. So its a matter of personal preference and choosing wisely because theres no such thing as write or wrong if you are happy go get it.
|
22 January 2021, 12:24 AM | #56 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Steven
Location: Glocal
Posts: 19,452
|
Quote:
Another example, compare the PP Aqua or AP fave-o-day with the Bvlgari Octo F.S. for example. i got the Bvlgari Octo, as it was easy to see much higher innovation and Bvlgari's quality is at least equal to PP / AP imho... plus a great warranty too... yet for 'only' $12k.
__________________
__________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory. |
|
24 January 2021, 06:48 AM | #57 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Europe
Posts: 45
|
Quote:
I'll see what happens (although I guess we both know what's going to happen, as that's just how these things go). |
|
24 January 2021, 07:59 AM | #58 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: albuquerque, nm
Posts: 107
|
Snake, greetings from Abq.
As the owner of both a PP 5227G and a Lange 1 platinum, I'm interested in the answer to the same question. While the two differ in several respects, I believe they're both terrific timepieces. This question caused me to both think and measure. On my wrist, the Lange feels thicker, the 5227 slightly bigger in diameter but thinner. It turns out both are almost the same size, though the Lange is half a mm larger and 0.2 mm thicker. To me, the 5227 is considerably dressier, though the Lange is certainly a dress watch. I'd wear the Lange to the office, the Patek to a fine dinner or the theatre. Quality wise, again, they're both great. The dial on the Patek is to die for, as is the hinged back. The Lange, though, has the smoothest and finest feel when setting. Both have beautiful movements. Fit and finish? Patek. Mechanicals? Lange. In overall design, the Lange is unique and clever, the Patek timeless. If I had to choose to keep only one? It's kind of like asking a mother of two distinctly different kids to choose between them. Love them both! That's the beauty of the hobby, as everyone is entitled to their opinions and thoughts. |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
*Banners
Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.