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Old 7 October 2018, 01:15 AM   #1
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Auto Rolex needs a shake to start even with hand winding

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I recently acquired a Rolex Explorer 114270 from 2005. Service history unknown. When the watch comes to a stop, winding the crown will not cause it to start up, it needs a shake to get the second hand moving. However, I did a test where I started with it fully stopped and out of charge, wound the crown 60 times and then shook the watch for 5 seconds, then set it down, and it did run for the 48 hours of full power reserve. So, I know the hand winding does in fact charge the mainspring. It's jsut that hand winding alone will not cause the second hand to start running.

Anything to worry about here?

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Old 7 October 2018, 05:38 AM   #2
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Pretty common for a mechanical watch and many other gear operated machines.
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Old 7 October 2018, 06:47 AM   #3
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Time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
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Old 8 October 2018, 11:03 PM   #4
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time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
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Old 8 October 2018, 11:17 PM   #5
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Time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
I have bought multiple new rolexes the last few years and that is not my experience. I have two submariners for example that are from 2017 and 2018, either one has to be almost fully wind or needs a little shake to get ticking.
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Old 23 January 2020, 05:56 AM   #6
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Just received my 126710BLRO pepsi a month ago and im experiencing the exact same thing you mentioned above. I also noticed that all my other watches start ticking after a few winds from a complete stop howevrt that is not the case with my brand new pepsi. After a conplete dead stop i would manually wind it 50+ times and it would not start. Only after a shake would it start. Can someone let us know if this is normal?


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. . . Can someone let us know if this is normal?


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A watch movement is made up of 200 individual parts. Many of these parts are moving and must mesh or slide with other parts; there is also a certain amount of torque that is inherent in the gear train as the mainspring must push against it all to get it moving.

Once in a while we need to physically break the "torque lock" of some parts pressing against others, or overcome extra friction that may be at some critical parts.

In a perfect world it would all be precisely lubed and free of friction - real life is seldom perfect. Give it a light tap with a finger, or a quick flick, you won't break it.
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My Omega PO 2500 has been doing the same for a while too.

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Old 24 January 2020, 05:35 PM   #9
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A watch movement is made up of 200 individual parts. Many of these parts are moving and must mesh or slide with other parts; there is also a certain amount of torque that is inherent in the gear train as the mainspring must push against it all to get it moving.

Once in a while we need to physically break the "torque lock" of some parts pressing against others, or overcome extra friction that may be at some critical parts.

In a perfect world it would all be precisely lubed and free of friction - real life is seldom perfect. Give it a light tap with a finger, or a quick flick, you won't break it.
Thanks for the prompt response.

I understand that this could be an occasional thing now. However this is the only way it will start up after a complete stop. FYI it is brand new bought in December 2019 from the AD. Should I be considered that it is happening now, right out the box and not after many years?
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Thanks for the prompt response.

I understand that this could be an occasional thing now. However this is the only way it will start up after a complete stop. FYI it is brand new bought in December 2019 from the AD. Should I be considered that it is happening now, right out the box and not after many years?
Depends on how you were winding it as they only wind on the forward wind and the 32 series movement would need around 60 full crown turns clockwise only to fully wind mainspring.Even after a manual wind some might even then need a gentle shake to start all normal.As long as it keeps running keeping good time you have nothing to worry about.
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