Rolex oyster perpetual date (1500) vs Datejust (1603)

[Jblakes]

Cheers for replies. Tbh i need to actually look at different watches. I have no clue what a SS, WG fluted 1601 looks like.

Also didnt actually know there were different datejusts. New to this game. Just remember speaking to father in law and he said datejust is probably the best value for money day watch you can get. Plus looks nice too.

Regards
James

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

Cheers for replies. Tbh i need to actually look at different watches. I have no clue what a SS, WG fluted 1601 looks like.

Also didnt actually know there were different datejusts. New to this game. Just remember speaking to father in law and he said datejust is probably the best value for money day watch you can get. Plus looks nice too.

Regards
James

It has a similar bezel as you showed on the 16014. But a pie-pan dial.

[Jblakes]

What arr peoples thoughts on this, a hyphen dial. I like the look of it, but wonder why its cheaper than standard 1603 dial

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Regards
James

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

What arr peoples thoughts on this, a hyphen dial. I like the look of it, but wonder why its cheaper than standard 1603 dial

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Regards
James

If the price is lower, it's probably due to condition issues of that particular watch.

[Jblakes]

Ah, thanks for that. Will pop in at some point to enquire about it. I just like the dial tbh.

[rootbeer7]

If you look at the lume plots on the dial, they’ve blackened, perhaps moisture damage. The case may also be weak/over polished.
Btw, I sent you a dm with a price comparison.

[Jblakes]

Ok, spoke to shop selling (hypen dial) 1603 like in picture. They said its not had water damage. Could be radium patina, the watch is 1960s era. Radium turns things black. Is this true. I love the watch i have seen. The black lume points (pointed out) make a nice feature tbh. Just wondering if this is possible true or selling a load of crap?. Its 2.4k so cheaper than all seen. Its an independant shop so not gonna do service. Can get that done through people suggested. They verify it authentic and real. My question is would people that a gamble (kinda) on it.
Regards
James

[rootbeer7]

Need better pictures of the dial and case. It looks like ‘t swiss t’ at bottom and therefore tritium (not earlier swiss). My Daydate from late 60’s with t swiss t and you can see the plots start to disintegrate, but no blackness. If dial and case good, that’s a pretty decent price provided it’s on bracelet.

[Jblakes]

datejust.zip

Had to stick it as a zip file. These are pictures i have got. The case looks abit polished, if thats the correct term. Obv the black lume points. Other than thats decent nic. Unless somebody says otherwise.

Regards James

[Dan S]

I found the piece on eBay, and it looks like it has sold. The seller and watch are legit. It's just that the watch is unattractive and overpolished. Personally I would pay a bit more for a better example. It seems to me that silver-dial 1603s are a dime-a-dozen, and average examples are readily available on eBay for prices in the low $3k USD range. I don't think I would try to save $400 USD by buying an ugly one.

[Jblakes]

Would you be able to post, what is a better example? I dont really get what better looks like.

Regards
James

[rootbeer7]

There’s a 1603 on eBay now. I’ve purchased from him before. £2650. Good dial and hands.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

I dont really get what better looks like.

Over time, collectors develop an eye for how vintage watches should look ideally, with unstained dials/hands, attractive and matching lume, and cases that retain their original shapes, and they are willing to pay extra because they appreciate that look. If you look at 1,000 photos of vintage DJs, you will start to develop this intuition, it's not something we can do for you.

However, if you truly don't care, maybe you should buy a lesser example and save some money. My only concern is that if you eventually became a more knowledgable collector, you might come to regret the purchase, and it wouldn't be an easy watch to sell.

[Jblakes]

Well that watch has sold anyways.will have a look at that one on ebay, probably need to go see different once in person as all look same to me. Just more aged.

Regards James

[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

Cheers for replies. Tbh i need to actually look at different watches. I have no clue what a SS, WG fluted 1601 looks like.

Also didnt actually know there were different datejusts. New to this game. Just remember speaking to father in law and he said datejust is probably the best value for money day watch you can get. Plus looks nice too.

Regards
James

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Here you go mate, 1601 with WG bezel !

[regulator]

What size is your wrist? I used to own a great 1500 but the 34mm size was much too small at the end of the day. I'm not one to wear watches for a fashion statement, but on my large wrists a 34 does not look at home. I ended up sending it to a good home.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

That... is a damned good example. Better than my own 16014!

[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by ollyollyoxenfree

That... is a damned good example. Better than my own 16014!

My 1601?


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[ollyollyoxenfree]

Originally Posted by watchyouseek

My 1601?


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Yes that beauty!

[Jblakes]

Hi, what are peoples thoughts on this on? Just under 2k on, on leather strap. I like the colour and dial. Does it look real? Worth it?
Regards James

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[77T]

I would say that DJ has had the lugs polished so much that the lug holes are right to the top edge. I’m judging from the side shot you shared.

Especially the one on the 5pm corner.





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[Jblakes]

Guessing thats a sign to stay away then?.

[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by ollyollyoxenfree

Yes that beauty!

Thank you !


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[carwashchris]

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Dang That's a nice example. Hope when the time comes I can find one like that to go along with my TT 1600

Thanks

[watchyouseek]

Grey on grey today


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[kidneymd]

One important difference, other than case size, is that the 1500 does not have quickset date. You must cycle through a full 24 hours time to change the date. The Datejusts you pull out the crown to the 1st click and can set the date independently of the time.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by kidneymd

One important difference, other than case size, is that the 1500 does not have quickset date. You must cycle through a full 24 hours time to change the date. The Datejusts you pull out the crown to the 1st click and can set the date independently of the time.

Not true for the four-digit DJs.

[kidneymd]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Not true for the four-digit DJs.

I did not realize that. Is this the case with other 4 digit references not having quickset date?

[Richard Carver]

So the saga continues. :) Remember, you are dealing with watches in the 50 year old range and and each one must stand on it's own merit. As it sits in front of you is how it's come through all those years. Good or bad, skinny lugs or fat, there it is.

Each vintage Rolex is unique, this tendency to judge them by long ago standards is bothersome to me. From the most worn, abused, clapped out old turd to the most pristine safe queen they all have a value.

My point is don't turn down a watch that doesn't meet some arbitrary ideal, if you walk into a shop and one old 'turd' speaks to you don't ignore it. Buy exactly what your aesthetic tells you to buy. If it isn't perfect then the price must be adjusted accordingly, trust me, that dealer certainly did when he bought it.

There is only one thing that I absolutely avoid and that's corrosion, check the gasket channel and between the lugs. Corrosion can occur under the bezel as well but if it's clean in the other areas it's most likely clean there.

So what is that clapped out old soldier worth? Let's talk salvage value. Any running 1570 movement with dial and hands is in the 13-1500 range (+-), even the worst vintage case can bring a couple of hundred, the case back alone can bring 150 in some cases. Worn jubilee bracelets are still worth 350-500. Add in bits, crystal, crown etc and a 'bad' DJ is still worth over 2k (US).

Anything up from there is all condition and desire. Good DJs are disappearing into collections, prices are rising and there'll never be another one made.

Don't lock into an ideal, find yourself a nice watch that appeals to you and with care it will outlast you. :)

Here's my 'one true watch', after many years it has all come down to this. I have a bank box full of these things but this is the one I wear every day. :)

1968 1603

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by kidneymd

I did not realize that. Is this the case with other 4 digit references not having quickset date?

I haven't thought about whether that's 100% the case, but for the most part, that's true. The transition to the 3000-series movements coincided with the transition to five digit references.