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Old 28 September 2018, 01:11 PM   #31
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Spring Bars / Pin
1. 1.4mm / 1.1mm (BLRO - 69200)
2. 1.7mm / .80mm (Daytona - 78590)
3. 1.92mm / .80mm (Submariner - 97200)
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Good info. So the BLRO takes the same spring tip size as a Seiko diver.

Weird that the Sub and Daytona uses .8mm tips. I thought most of them used a .9mm tip.

Thanks for the info buddy.
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Old 1 March 2019, 09:59 PM   #32
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Bumping this thread after catching these measurements.

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Spring Bars / Pin
1. 1.4mm / 1.1mm (BLRO - 69200)
2. 1.7mm / .80mm (Daytona - 78590)
3. 1.92mm / .80mm (Submariner - 97200)

I used a digital caliper and triple checked.
Your calipers must be off by 0.10mm since your numbers are precise but not accurate. Have you calibrated them recently?

The correct measurements are as follows:
  • 1.50mm / 1.20mm (GMT 12671x - 69200/79201/79205)
  • 1.80mm / 0.90mm (Daytona 1165xx - 78590)
  • 2.00mm / 0.90mm (Submariner 116610 - 97200)
  • 2.00mm / 1.20mm (Explorer 214270 - 77200)

I added the 214270 Explorer in case an endlink with 2.00mm springbar holes matches up with a 126710 GMT since it uses 1.20mm pivots.

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Weird that the Sub and Daytona uses .8mm tips. I thought most of them used a .9mm tip.
They're definitely 0.90mm.

HTH
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Old 2 March 2019, 01:24 AM   #33
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Bumping this thread after catching these measurements.


Your calipers must be off by 0.10mm since your numbers are precise but not accurate. Have you calibrated them recently?

The correct measurements are as follows:
  • 1.50mm / 1.20mm (GMT 12671x - 69200/79201/79205)
  • 1.80mm / 0.90mm (Daytona 1165xx - 78590)
  • 2.00mm / 0.90mm (Submariner 116610 - 97200)
  • 2.00mm / 1.20mm (Explorer 214270 - 77200)

I added the 214270 Explorer in case an endlink with 2.00mm springbar holes matches up with a 126710 GMT since it uses 1.20mm pivots.


They're definitely 0.90mm.

HTH
Thanks for the heads up brother. I greatly appreciate it.
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Old 2 March 2019, 01:43 AM   #34
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Thanks for the heads up brother. I greatly appreciate it.
Sure thing.
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Old 2 March 2019, 01:50 AM   #35
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Sure thing.
One thing though. Why is the GMT using 1.5mm middle diameter? Is this due to the bracelet design?
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Old 2 March 2019, 02:02 AM   #36
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One thing though. Why is the GMT using 1.5mm middle diameter? Is this due to the bracelet design?
Seems that way. The 69200 endlinks are rather complex and don't leave much material for a through-hole. It could also be an attempt to minimize swapping parts.
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Old 2 March 2019, 02:03 AM   #37
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Seems that way. The 69200 endlinks are rather complex and don't leave much material for a through-hole. It could also be an attempt to minimize swapping parts.
Freaking crazy. I have never seen a Rolex diver (any diver) with such a thin spring bar. Any idea the part number on it?
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Old 2 March 2019, 02:07 AM   #38
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Freaking crazy. I have never seen a Rolex diver (any diver) with such a thin spring bar. Any idea the part number on it?
It's a small OD but seems plenty strong. The pivots and shafts are huge, and that's where most of the stress would be placed. I don't see them failing under normal circumstances.

I don't have a part number at the moment but will see if I can dig it up. I'd like to order some spares myself and turn the tips down to 0.90mm on the lathe.
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Old 2 March 2019, 02:14 AM   #39
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It's a small OD but seems plenty strong. The pivots and shafts are huge, and that's where most of the stress would be placed. I don't see them failing under normal circumstances.

I don't have a part number at the moment but will see if I can dig it up. I'd like to order some spares myself and turn the tips down to 0.90mm on the lathe.
I want some so that more people have different strap options for their Sub's. With out losing some spring bar integrity.
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Old 17 June 2019, 03:53 PM   #40
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Great info! Thanks man.

Did anyone find a reliable source to order aftermarket 1.5mm pins that will fit the 69200 on an old 116710?
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Old 6 July 2019, 06:40 AM   #41
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On my GMT 126711 I change the bracelet often to a leather strap.

Trying to find spring bars has been hard. Everyone that I have bought from say theirs is a replacement. They are 20mm with a diameter of 1.8mm. All good except the ends are .8mm and not the 1mm like the original ones. There will be too much play using the ones that are .8mm which will wear the lug holes.

ADs will not sell me spare spring bars.

So what have all of you done to solve this?

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Old 6 July 2019, 12:03 PM   #42
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126710 spring bar comparison

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I couldn’t get mine to seat with anything but the 1.8mm spring bars. Specifically from a YM. The BLNR and Sub spring bars both wouldn’t seat for me.



Have you been wearing it around like that? No issues. Just double check to make sure they’re clicked in all the way.


Agree!!!

I thought the 97200 glidelock sub bracelet clicked into my BLNR 126710, with the 97200 springbars; but I was wrong. One side was not seated. Scared the heck out of me when I found it. I wore it around like that for a while... It takes the older 1.8mm springbars for me, and then the pin seats properly, all the way into both holes. I even have to push in the last side of the pin to get the second pin to drop in the hole. I am 100% sure this works for me, and it’s lucky I did not loose the head when I was using the 97200 glidelock springbars!
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Old 9 April 2020, 04:38 AM   #43
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Bumping this thread after catching these measurements.


Your calipers must be off by 0.10mm since your numbers are precise but not accurate. Have you calibrated them recently?

The correct measurements are as follows:
  • 1.50mm / 1.20mm (GMT 12671x - 69200/79201/79205)
  • 1.80mm / 0.90mm (Daytona 1165xx - 78590)
  • 2.00mm / 0.90mm (Submariner 116610 - 97200)
  • 2.00mm / 1.20mm (Explorer 214270 - 77200)

I added the 214270 Explorer in case an endlink with 2.00mm springbar holes matches up with a 126710 GMT since it uses 1.20mm pivots.


They're definitely 0.90mm.

HTH

Gents, first off - thank you for these detailed analyses and undertakings. I'm trying to understand whether I could use either a Daytona bracelet (78590) or a Submariner (97200) on my 126710 BLRO. I'm technically oriented, but have not done this before, so please pardon the ignorance - and thank you in advance for helping me understand it:

I'm not sure this makes sense, but in the case I want to acquire a Daytona Bracelet, if I'm even able to, would I be able to use the spring bars that came with my 126710 BLRO? The important element, I suppose, is to have the spring bars sit flush in the lugs/case, is that correct? For the BLRO, I gather that's 1.20mm? But I would also want to have the spring bars sit flush 'in' the bracelet, which is 1.80mm for the daytona bracelet, is that correct? So [i]ideally[/], would I want a set of spring bars that are 1.80mm / 1.20mm? Is that available?

Thank you very much
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Old 19 June 2020, 04:26 PM   #44
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Bumping this thread after catching these measurements.


Your calipers must be off by 0.10mm since your numbers are precise but not accurate. Have you calibrated them recently?

The correct measurements are as follows:
  • 1.50mm / 1.20mm (GMT 12671x - 69200/79201/79205)
  • 1.80mm / 0.90mm (Daytona 1165xx - 78590)
  • 2.00mm / 0.90mm (Submariner 116610 - 97200)
  • 2.00mm / 1.20mm (Explorer 214270 - 77200)

I added the 214270 Explorer in case an endlink with 2.00mm springbar holes matches up with a 126710 GMT since it uses 1.20mm pivots.


They're definitely 0.90mm.

HTH
Just running through the numbers.
Does this mean that the best way to install the 78200 oyster PCL bracelet (2.0mm spring bar holes) onto the 126710blnr (1.20mm lug holes) is to use the explorer 214270 spring bar?
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Old 19 June 2020, 05:38 PM   #45
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Old 19 June 2020, 11:27 PM   #46
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Wow thanks for sharing. I had no idea not all spring bars on certain diameter water werent created equally. Makes it uniquely more challenging when swapping bracelets etc. Awesome writeup.
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Old 3 November 2020, 07:32 AM   #47
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Lil help!! First off thanks for the detailed info here, huge help. I am attempting to put the 69200 jubilee bracelet on my 2018 116710 and I obviously need the thinner pins with the smaller head to make this work. Any chance someone here could point me in the right direction to be able to buy the right pins??
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Old 3 November 2020, 12:21 PM   #48
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I put the Oyster 97200 bracelet on my 126710BLNR, but had to use the 126710 spring bars. Wore it for a while, but the jubilee is just looks better (in my eyes)... and switched back.
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Old 3 November 2020, 07:00 PM   #49
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I put the Oyster 97200 bracelet on my 126710BLNR, but had to use the 126710 spring bars. Wore it for a while, but the jubilee is just looks better (in my eyes)... and switched back.
I like the look of that. Was it a good fit with the GMT case?
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Old 19 December 2020, 02:14 PM   #50
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I know this is an older thread, but sometimes people search for technical info, so I'm adding to this thread just to add some information that may be beneficial to others. Several years back I had a 116519 WG Daytona. I had switched the leather strap around and lost track of the original spring bars. Never thought anything of it and just had some 20mm pins around the house. They worked fine. A couple years later I was at the RSC in Dallas having the strap changed on this watch. Well the watchmaker there noticed the wrong pins and had me buy the correct ones for around $120 for the set!!! A lot of money for 2 tiny pins. What they told me is that SS pins in a gold case with ruin the case holes by making them egg shaped over time. The SS pins are harder than the gold. All the gold cases have gold pins so the materials are the same hardness. I had no clue. I lost two gold pins like an idiot and almost damaged my stunning white gold case. Luckily, it hadn't been long enough to damage, but, lesson learned straight from the RSC in Dallas.
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Old 20 December 2020, 04:13 AM   #51
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Super interesting, thanks for sharing! Its pretty incredible the level on knowledge on TRF
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Old 20 December 2020, 06:53 AM   #52
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This thread is really awesome, thanks for all the amazing info everyone. Wish I had more input - I love the look of the jubilee on the Daytona and that Kermit earlier in this thread.
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Old 23 January 2021, 01:51 PM   #53
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Super helpful information!


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Old 2 September 2021, 09:03 PM   #54
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Hi,

I’m new here. I’ve a 116710LN. Someone offered me a 69200 jubilee bracelet, does it fit? And which springbars are needed to fit the jubilee on my 116710LN?

Hope to see some reactions!
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Old 2 September 2021, 09:52 PM   #55
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Thanks for the info
It would make more sense for Rolex to make All spring bara the same size to make life a little easy on us!!
100% Agree
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Awesome thread. Thanks for the info. To add to the discussion, this came from another member of the forum and is a great guide for swapping bracelets.
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Awesome thread. Thanks for the info. To add to the discussion, this came from another member of the forum and is a great guide for swapping bracelets.

Hey Now, that’s my handiwork!

funny to see it pop up here and there!
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97200 Bracelet

Today I tried fitting a 97200 Sub Glidlock to my 126710 Blro . I used the spring bars supplied with my BLRO but they just didn’t click into place ,Can anyone who has done this please comment

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Old 29 November 2021, 03:51 AM   #59
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Bumping this thread after catching these measurements.


Your calipers must be off by 0.10mm since your numbers are precise but not accurate. Have you calibrated them recently?

The correct measurements are as follows:
  • 1.50mm / 1.20mm (GMT 12671x - 69200/79201/79205)
  • 1.80mm / 0.90mm (Daytona 1165xx - 78590)
  • 2.00mm / 0.90mm (Submariner 116610 - 97200)
  • 2.00mm / 1.20mm (Explorer 214270 - 77200)

I added the 214270 Explorer in case an endlink with 2.00mm springbar holes matches up with a 126710 GMT since it uses 1.20mm pivots.


They're definitely 0.90mm.

HTH
@037: great info, thanks for posting. Might you also know answers to two additional questions?

1. Do you know the precise spring bar measurements for Rolex curved springbars, such as those on the Cellini models?

2. Do you know where is a good place to buy compatible springbars with the exact same sizes as Rolex springbars? (Everest seems to offer some, but not curved springbars).

Thanks in advance.
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Today I tried fitting a 97200 Sub Glidlock to my 126710 Blro . I used the spring bars supplied with my BLRO but they just didn’t click into place ,Can anyone who has done this please comment

Thx
I thought the 97200 glidelock sub bracelet clicked into my BLNR 126710, with the 97200 springbars; but I was wrong. One side was not seated. Scared the heck out of me when I found it. I wore it around like that for a while... It takes the older 1.8mm springbars for me, and then the pin seats properly, all the way into both holes. I even have to push in the last side of the pin to get the second pin to drop in the hole. I am 100% sure this works for me, and it’s lucky I did not loose the head when I was using the 97200 glidelock springbars!

scooba, see this post above.

I tried like heck to get the original springbars for the 97200 to fit the 126710BLRO. Never could get one side to seat. Then, this smaller spring bar fit snugly. I had to push the end into the hole. But it’s snug and secure.
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