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Old 21 July 2019, 01:55 PM   #61
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I tell you that this is not always the case. Many ADs do not sell to greys and many look to sell pieces to people who show true passion for the brand / watch.

Last summer I walked into an AD in the UK and picked up a 5711 White dial. Yes thats right I walked into the store and they decided after some discussion to tell me they had one. The same AD called me out of the blue recently and offered me the 5712 (I had expressed interest in the watch a few months earlier but didn't expect the call).

So many ADs play by the book, look to please passionate customers and are genuinely concerned about how frustrated customers are getting with ridiculous wait times. I would hate to work in one of those showrooms right now. I sympathise with AD staff in many ways.
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Old 21 July 2019, 03:53 PM   #62
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Old 21 July 2019, 04:28 PM   #63
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I actually met a guy earlier in the year who said the same story, and it was confirmed by someone else

I also know of places like wempe who keep pieces out the back, and bring them out aftrr a chat etc if they deem you OK, if that makes sense
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Old 21 July 2019, 04:42 PM   #64
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This is totally plausible in the UK - so unfair to discredit the OP
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Old 21 July 2019, 05:34 PM   #65
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This is totally plausible in the UK - so unfair to discredit the OP
I'm half joking/don't want people to have false hope
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Old 21 July 2019, 06:02 PM   #66
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I actually met a guy earlier in the year who said the same story, and it was confirmed by someone else

I also know of places like wempe who keep pieces out the back, and bring them out aftrr a chat etc if they deem you OK, if that makes sense
I had a similar experience at Wempe this time last year. Went there to look for a Datograph, ended up talking about Patek. With no prior purchase history I was offered a 5712A as well as a 5164A. I declined both as I already own a 5712 and was not interested in a 5164A
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Old 21 July 2019, 06:18 PM   #67
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He posted photos of the watches he mentioned

I had a similar experience at Wempe this time last year. Went there to look for a Datograph, ended up talking about Patek. With no prior purchase history I was offered a 5712A as well as a 5164A. I declined both as I already own a 5712 and was not interested in a 5164A
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:30 PM   #68
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I had a similar experience at Wempe this time last year. Went there to look for a Datograph, ended up talking about Patek. With no prior purchase history I was offered a 5712A as well as a 5164A. I declined both as I already own a 5712 and was not interested in a 5164A
Great to hear some people have good experiences to share. The AD must have recognised your enthusiasm. I guess I should try another country.
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:33 PM   #69
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For those of you living in Hong Kong, now may be a good time to "strengthen" your relationship with your AD / or to start a relationship.

A recent chat with my AD - with the recent protests in HK, business is suffering, fewer tourists from China, locals aren't buying much either .... I have not seen so many watches on display at my AD. Visits to other ADs in HK show the same picture, with lots of unsold inventory in the cabinets. (Compared to say the period around May, when my AD only had one or two watches on display in the whole shop as everything was sold out!)

My AD was so quiet and empty during my 1.5 hour visit a few days ago - apart from tourists coming in and asking for the 5711/5712.

I just put my name down for a perpetual for my birthday. She asks me to re-re-re-consider the 5711 blue but I decline again - the blue really isn't the shade of blue that I like (I much prefer 5740's blue). I told her I might get the 5164 now that I have the blue 5650 strap ... but I am in no hurry.

I chat with a friend that I introduced to my AD and he told me the same persuasion by my salesperson to get the 5711, which she almost guaranteed he could get in a few months. My friend's first purchase was a perpetual and then followed up by the 5270 salmon. But again my friend has no interest in the 5711which he finds too boring - "wasted real estate" in his words - he likes busy dials, the busier the better.

My takeaway is that ADs are scared of selling 5711 and hot pieces to unfamiliar clients for the fear of flipping and damaging the AD's reputation with Patek. That's even with the business card vetting by Libertas here in HK (the local equivalent of Rhone / HSWA).

[EDIT: Please do not contact me asking me to help you get the 5711 or other watches. Thanks!]
You must have a real fancy business card
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:35 PM   #70
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Mine says dirk diggler
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:46 PM   #71
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It did happen. And it was bought in central London.
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:48 PM   #72
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It did happen. And it was bought in central London.


And if I remember rightly, not just any AD
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Old 21 July 2019, 10:48 PM   #73
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Let me introduce u to Lady Fatty ninja. First meeting... to this day we still enjoy the company of this specific AD. Kind of feels like friends/family.


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Old 21 July 2019, 11:55 PM   #74
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Go to the nearest Patek AD. Speak with them and make them understand you arenít a flipper, you are a watch lover.



On todayís crazy market about Nautilus for any AD this is the more important thing they want to know: that you arenít a flipper and try to reach one only to earn money.



Believe me if they are convinced of this you will reach one soon.


I agree. I was able to build a relationship with a large AD not from a purchase of a grand complication, but from a number of good conversations about our shared hobby. Yes, the manager quickly ascertained that I could be a good customer given my purchase history at other ADs. Since then, Iíve gotten access to a number of hard to get Rolex and PP pieces.


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Old 21 July 2019, 11:56 PM   #75
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Let me introduce u to Lady Fatty ninja. First meeting... to this day we still enjoy the company of this specific AD. Kind of feels like friends/family.

The size of that rock!
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Old 21 July 2019, 11:57 PM   #76
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The size of that rock!
In the mkt to upgrade :) lol
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Upgrade an engagement ring?
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Old 22 July 2019, 12:16 AM   #78
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Upgrade an engagement ring?
Yup...

Diamonds are weak right now...you get a better deal right now.
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Old 22 July 2019, 12:29 AM   #79
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Diamonds are weak right now...you get a better deal right now.


Is this a fact for everyone or just Ninjaís? Iíve always been under the impression 4 + stones become more challenging to get cheap


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Is this a fact for everyone or just Ninja’s? I’ve always been under the impression 4 + stones become more challenging to get cheap


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Challenging at anything above 4. The perfect price point is 4.5ish. It looks like a 5 but lots of value. We care about cut and carat vs the other characteristics... also We buy from Tiffany so you have to factor their premium, but they are willing to discount anything above 100k


Goal is to get the best diamond at the most reasonable price for Tiffany. Anything above a 5 cut at tiffany it goes parabolic and just is silly...it’s ridiculous. so this will be the last upgrade for the wife. Then it’s on to other items for the girls.


Also you have to look for the right level of color...some are bluish etc.
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Old 22 July 2019, 12:50 AM   #81
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Why Tiffany only? Isnít GIA GIA?


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Old 22 July 2019, 12:52 AM   #82
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Wife loves tiffany...it is what it is
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Old 22 July 2019, 12:57 AM   #83
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Ask Tiffany for a 5726 blue. Your wife deserves it.
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Old 22 July 2019, 01:01 AM   #84
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Ask Tiffany for a 5726 blue. Your wife deserves it.


Beacuse the kid wants it 1st
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The t stamp will come when it comes... not in a rush. Kid will get her studs this year lol
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Perhaps it’s just me but you can’t imagine changing the ring I proposed with, some things shouldn’t be upgraded.
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Anything above a 5 cut at tiffany it goes parabolic and just is silly...itís ridiculous. .

Oh so 5 is the beginning of that?


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Perhaps it’s just me but you can’t imagine changing the ring I proposed with, some things shouldn’t be upgraded.
Proposed is kind of a weird term. It’s more like a negotiation....
But people upgrade allow the time.


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Yes 5.... I can’t afford these cartier. ....but these are bigger than 5


10ct solitare



19 ct emrald cut...

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Old 22 July 2019, 03:57 AM   #90
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Proposed is kind of a weird term. Itís more like a negotiation....
But people upgrade allow the time.





Yes 5.... I canít afford these cartier. ....but these are bigger than 5


10ct solitare



19 ct emrald cut...

Wow...the 10 is about the same width as her ring finger! I would consider colored diamonds because those are ďinvestmentsĒ as well as unique. Of course the size goes down...probably closer to 1-2 but you are getting something that may increase in value over time. The ultimate are Argyle pinks, then you are looking at closer to 1 or less. Unless you have a 7 digit budget for those super rare Argyle pinks...
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