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djmusicman · 6 March 2013, 09:04 AM

Hello, i am interested in buying this watch, i have never seen a dark blue vignette dial like this one before on a 16014. Can anyone tell me if the dial is refinished, aftermarket or factory original? thanks!

Tools · 6 March 2013, 11:39 AM

I don't see anything wrong with this dial.. I would say that it is photographed in shadows...

Do you have reason to suspect it to be other than authentic..

crowncollection · 6 March 2013, 11:47 AM

dial is good, no problem dark blue/ black is one of the vignette colours the other is red and black

djmusicman · 6 March 2013, 06:14 PM

Here is the sellers reply when questioned about the dial:

"We have had the dial inspected and it is so nice that even professionals admire it as original though they are not sure in any event due to its age it could be redone since its as perfect as original"

Also he says that the lume still works (watch is from about 1979 - 1980)...

VetteBandit · 6 March 2013, 11:57 PM

When in doubt, walk away. There will always be another one.

djmusicman · 7 March 2013, 02:50 AM

The sellers name on ebay is jewelrybrands (JewelryBrands.net Beverly Hills, California USA)

He just sent me this message: "The dial is in excellent condition for its age that it most likely has been refinished sometime throughout the years."

Is a refinished dial a deal breaker? the price is $2175

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 03:15 AM

That's not a vignette dial.

djmusicman · 7 March 2013, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

That's not a vignette dial.

what do you call this dial if it is not a vignette?

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmusicman

what do you call this dial if it is not a vignette?

A play with light.

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 03:24 AM

A vignette looks like this.

djmusicman · 7 March 2013, 03:35 AM

wow thanks for those images, i really like the dial on the 2nd one

thats the kinds of look i want.

here is a brighter image of the same picture, sellers pics are very dark. Dial does look black around the edges and blue towards the center.

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 03:46 AM

Now it looks like it could be a vignette dial.

djmusicman · 7 March 2013, 03:57 AM

yes i think it is... so would the fact that it probably has a refinished dial be a deal breaker for most people?

mailman · 7 March 2013, 04:02 AM

That's a nice looker

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmusicman

yes i think it is... so would the fact that it probably has a refinished dial be a deal breaker for most people?

If you buy it for yourself and you like it I can't see why it would be.

It's not like a 2k watch will drop to 1k because of that.

djmusicman · 7 March 2013, 05:36 AM

but when it needs a service, Rolex would confiscate the dial if it has been refinished..

fitter_happier · 7 March 2013, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmusicman

but when it needs a service, Rolex would confiscate the dial if it has been refinished..

Is RSC the only choice for service? What about the thousands of independent watchmakers? Please be serious.

The watch looks great to me. Id say the price is fair.

MonBK · 7 March 2013, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmusicman

but when it needs a service, Rolex would confiscate the dial if it has been refinished..

Not if it is an original Rolex dial.

djmusicman · 12 March 2013, 12:44 AM

ebay seller "jewelrybrands" admitted that the dial has been refinished, even though that was NOT mentioned at all in the listing. The same goes for all of their listings, so i'd advice everyone to steer well clear from this seller.

MaximusDecimus · 13 March 2013, 03:36 PM

i was looking at another one of their watches, they were indicating they were selling it for someone else. I asked if anything was refinished on the watch and he couldn't tell me. also asked him if the rolex watches would be guaranteed free of aftermarket parts, he says yes but was a bit hesitant when he said that, and then he immediately started saying that they are vintage pieces and they have not owned them for 30-40 years so they cannot be 100% certain on everything. Does anyone have any experience with this seller? I want to avoid buying heavily refinished pieces, and I definitely do not want any with aftermarket parts.

MaximusDecimus · 13 March 2013, 03:49 PM

also doing more research into this seller. I am seeing evidence of shill bidding. take a look at this http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=281071753543

notice the person who one the auction has a 100% bid history with jewelrybrands. The same watch was relisted even though it sold to this "bidder". I am staying away from them, something doesnt seem right.

djmusicman · 18 March 2013, 07:43 AM

i left them negative feedback but they got it removed!

datejusting · 18 March 2013, 07:52 AM

It is a very nice looking watch and appears to have very little wear. If you like the looks, go for it.

6 March 2013, 11:39 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,044	I don't see anything wrong with this dial.. I would say that it is photographed in shadows... Do you have reason to suspect it to be other than authentic.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

6 March 2013, 11:47 AM	#3
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	dial is good, no problem dark blue/ black is one of the vignette colours the other is red and black __________________ watches many

6 March 2013, 11:57 PM	#5
VetteBandit "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: JP Location: USA Watch: All of them! Posts: 917	When in doubt, walk away. There will always be another one. __________________ ********************************* "Eveyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Instagram: @30threejosh

7 March 2013, 04:02 AM	#14
mailman TRF Moderator & DATE-JUST41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,359	That's a nice looker __________________ JJ

6 March 2013, 06:14 PM	#4
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	Here is the sellers reply when questioned about the dial: "We have had the dial inspected and it is so nice that even professionals admire it as original though they are not sure in any event due to its age it could be redone since its as perfect as original" Also he says that the lume still works (watch is from about 1979 - 1980)...

7 March 2013, 02:50 AM	#6
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	The sellers name on ebay is jewelrybrands (JewelryBrands.net Beverly Hills, California USA) He just sent me this message: "The dial is in excellent condition for its age that it most likely has been refinished sometime throughout the years." Is a refinished dial a deal breaker? the price is $2175

7 March 2013, 03:15 AM	#7
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	That's not a vignette dial.

7 March 2013, 03:46 AM	#12
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	Now it looks like it could be a vignette dial.

7 March 2013, 03:57 AM	#13
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	yes i think it is... so would the fact that it probably has a refinished dial be a deal breaker for most people?

7 March 2013, 05:36 AM	#16
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	but when it needs a service, Rolex would confiscate the dial if it has been refinished..

12 March 2013, 12:44 AM	#19
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	ebay seller "jewelrybrands" admitted that the dial has been refinished, even though that was NOT mentioned at all in the listing. The same goes for all of their listings, so i'd advice everyone to steer well clear from this seller.

13 March 2013, 03:36 PM	#20
MaximusDecimus "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Usa Posts: 15	i was looking at another one of their watches, they were indicating they were selling it for someone else. I asked if anything was refinished on the watch and he couldn't tell me. also asked him if the rolex watches would be guaranteed free of aftermarket parts, he says yes but was a bit hesitant when he said that, and then he immediately started saying that they are vintage pieces and they have not owned them for 30-40 years so they cannot be 100% certain on everything. Does anyone have any experience with this seller? I want to avoid buying heavily refinished pieces, and I definitely do not want any with aftermarket parts.

13 March 2013, 03:49 PM	#21
MaximusDecimus "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Usa Posts: 15	also doing more research into this seller. I am seeing evidence of shill bidding. take a look at this http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=281071753543 notice the person who one the auction has a 100% bid history with jewelrybrands. The same watch was relisted even though it sold to this "bidder". I am staying away from them, something doesnt seem right.

18 March 2013, 07:43 AM	#22
djmusicman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: David Location: paris Posts: 72	i left them negative feedback but they got it removed!

18 March 2013, 07:52 AM	#23
datejusting "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Al Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,153	It is a very nice looking watch and appears to have very little wear. If you like the looks, go for it.

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