Question to the forum: Why do WIS not respect Day-Date?

[iim7v7im7]

I recently posted a similar post to my earlier post here where I posted a this or that asking about a Day-Date vs. GO Senator Chronometer. The response that I received while not surprising, was quite strongly in favor of the exclusive haute horlogerie piece. I almost thought that they were questioning my sanity given the overwhelming response from some very knowledgable collectors.

I suppose that WIS have little respect for gold Rolexes due to their sheer numbers, their popularity among non-WIS, some variants being in-your-face garish cultural symbols of wealth/status and their lack of horological complexity. For the price of a Day-Date, one can buy a exclusive haute horlogerie piece from some of the finest houses. Mind you, the Day-Date is a far more robust/reliable watch, it will be less costly to service and will never go out of style.

So here in the heart of Rolex-dum, I ask why do you think as Rodney Dangerfield said " I don't get no respect."?

[capote]

Well you put it up against the GO Senator chronometer (among other high end watches). IMO the day-date is too unrefined in comparison, the movement and finish is superior on the GO. I saw two Rolex watches yesterday but I have yet to see a GO in the wild. But the bottomline is that you should buy what you want and not what I or anybody else here prefers.

[Brenngun]

I'm confused! Your pole below shows an almost 80% preference for the Rolex DD. That looks like a lot of respect to me.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=286131

[DJJon]

The DayDate in any color gold commands instant respect from any WIS and tons of love here on TRF.

Most people who are not 1-watch WIS's cannot afford to add a YG DD to their collection. If you are shopping the $30K+ watch class there are many mind-boggling choices.

This forum has many vocal SS Sub fans who, as you allude to, just are not Gold Watch Guys.
It does take a certain kind of personality to wear (or in some cases flaunt) such an opulent timepiece.

Fewer DD owners compared to DJs and Subs is understandable just based on economics. TRF has a lot of Patek & AP owners who travel in that stratosphere and many of them own a DD too.

[Elmie]

These are completely different pieces, so one cannot really compare the two. If you're wanting an "exclusive haute horlogerie piece" there's better brands out there besides Glashutte that you can get for the price of a day-date.

[Armyguy03]

The DD is grail to many including myself.

[powerfunk]

WIS's don't respect Day-Dates? That's news to me!

[Chris B]

I respect my DD, but then again, I am easily pleased

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by Brenngun

I'm confused! Your pole below shows an almost 80% preference for the Rolex DD. That looks like a lot of respect to me.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=286131

I was talking about posts on OTHER watch forums, not here in the heart of Rolex country.

[HRV]

Originally Posted by iim7v7im7

So here in the heart of Rolex-dum, I ask why do you think as Rodney Dangerfield said " I don't get no respect."?

His plaid golf trousers

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by iim7v7im7

I was talking about posts on OTHER watch forums, not here in the heart of Rolex country.

These were postings in general watch forums such as Timezone and Purists where the World is somewhat less Rolex-centric. Of course here, it was 80/20 in favor of the Rolex.

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by Elmie

These are completely different pieces, so one cannot really compare the two. If you're wanting an "exclusive haute horlogerie piece" there's better brands out there besides Glashutte that you can get for the price of a day-date.

I buy watches and not brands...:-)

[Elmie]

Of course you select the watch and not the brand but a brand's equity and reputation have a direct relationship to the watch's desirability. "garish cultural symbols" and "never going out of style" as well as coming from the "finest houses" have to do more with the brand than the actual watch.

[p_mcgee]

There are many similarly priced watches that I'd pick over a DD, but a GO Senator isn't one of them. I actually like the YG DD but at 36mm, mine spends most of its time on the wife's wrist these days.

[mrbill2mrbill2]

I have never seen any DD distain on TRF.

So I do not know where you are coming from.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by iim7v7im7

I buy watches and not brands...:-)

then who cares what people think on internet forum x vs. internet forum y vs. internet forum z?

[HL65]

I love DD's--especially 1803 Stella's!

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

I have never seen any DD distain on TRF.

So I do not know where you are coming from.

These posts were on general watch forums (Timezone, Purists etc.) and NOT on TRF where the Day-Date reigns supreme.

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

then who cares what people think on internet forum x vs. internet forum y vs. internet forum z?

But they are knowledgable participants who made some cogent points regarding the Day-Date vs. some of the horologically finer pieces that I am considering. I post to get differing perspectives to help me see through the "fog of war" when shopping.

:-)

[Bangel]

It all comes down to the fact that not everybody likes the same thing, whether they are a "WIS" or not.

[JohnBoy]

Originally Posted by iim7v7im7

These posts were on general watch forums (Timezone, Purists etc.) and NOT on TRF where the Day-Date reigns supreme.

That explains it! Of course, most of us love the DD on TRF! However, its design is quite formal and conservative, even in the DDII form. And, as noted above, its relatively expensive. Its a really top-of-the-line watch in any league.

But, WISdom covers a lot of territory, and has many members. Trendy sport casualness seems to rule modern times. Considering the DD's design and price, its not surprising that its is not one of the more-popular models overall. That certainly takes nothing away from it!

[Elmie]

what are "some of the horologically finer pieces that I am considering"? the glashutte senator model you mention is hardly a "horological complexity"

[rodrob59]

What?

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[James 45]

Well I would love to have one on a leather band!!
Wear it anytime anywhere!

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by Elmie

what are "some of the horologically finer pieces that I am considering"? the glashutte senator model you mention is hardly a "horological complexity"

Horologically finer speaks to level of finish more than complexity....

The GO is not such a simple piece when you look into the Caliber 58:

- it has a unique hacking mechanism that zeros out,
- the seconds hand is coordinated with the minutes hand in a unusual scheme that ensures perfect coordination within a minute,
- a power reserve indicator,
- a day night indicator,
- small seconds complication and a large date.

The other watches that I am considering are all relatively simple watches (the GO is the most complex) made by A. Lange & Sohne, Blancpain, FP Journe, Patek Philippe and Vacheron Constantin.

[Elmie]

Most would pick a less complicated patek or even a VC over a more complicated glashutte. however, if its a choice between the glashutte and the rolex DD, the rolex is a better choice. the glashutte model you propose is not even one of the their more "complex" models in their range.

[Chewbacca]

if this forum were the vatican, the dd would be pope. as such, the dd has always been respected by wis's imho.

[bradiowausa]

It's a good model. I would say that price and I don't know if wearing so much gold, especially yellow gold, is in fashion for men.

[iim7v7im7]

Originally Posted by Elmie

Most would pick a less complicated patek or even a VC over a more complicated glashutte. however, if its a choice between the glashutte and the rolex DD, the rolex is a better choice. the glashutte model you propose is not even one of the their more "complex" models in their range.

It is highly complex compared to a Day-Date which quite a simple watch. (http://www.watchtime.net/heftarchiv/...009_04_028.pdf). Is is it a twin tourbillon perpetual calendar-equation of time? Well, no its not. I might suggest that your opinion is not unanimous by any means regarding which is a better choice. It really depends on what your criteria is. To many watch collectors (by no means all) even talking about these two watches in the same sentence is sacrilege. Obviously, not all feel that way. I just look at them as two different directions depending on what is important to the owner. I am still considering one.

[HongNinja]

Not sure where these perceptions come from. The Day-Date is what started my interest in Rolex after watching my grandfather buy one. It was one of his biggest life accomplishments(especially since they were penny pinchers). The look of that watch, and the look on his face while wearing that watch, will always remain with me. Someday that Day Date will be mine, and I will wear it with the same pride.