Finally scored a birth year red sub

[springer]

Originally Posted by zapokee

I have no problem with a case that's been expertly detailed (I don't like the term "recut"), especially if it had been badly polished previously. Condition should be reflected in the price, of course.

Couldn't agree more with Z. And the proper term is refinished - not re-cut.

[phillip ridley]

Originally Posted by Sherbie

@bayareabuggs

Well, what would you rather them do?

Just go “oooooh” and “aaaah”?

In this case the OP was under the apprehension that he had a genuine full set - when clearly he has a cobbled together mix of parts - for goodness sake, the box is mid 80s, so how could this be a match for a 70s watch ?

Luckily for him, JP pointed out that (thankfully) the certificate was genuine (lots of fakes out there)

These guys are the best in the business and do this for fun (not for profit) So they have no axe to grind


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Excellent point! Too many put together watches represented as not.

[bayareabuggs]

you guys, honestly. Sitting on a pile of watches. Someone comes along and you get the claws out. I was saying you should moderate your feedback not crack your knuckles and go all out on someone.

[bayareabuggs]

Originally Posted by phillip ridley

Excellent point! Too many put together watches represented as not.

Ok I noticed all of those points too, but unlike you guys I moderated my responses.

Again, its always the same guy(s).....

[bayareabuggs]

Originally Posted by springer

Couldn't agree more with Z. And the proper term is refinished - not re-cut.

It can be either.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by bayareabuggs

you guys, honestly. Sitting on a pile of watches. Someone comes along and you get the claws out. I was saying you should moderate your feedback not crack your knuckles and go all out on someone.

? Can’t see any claws in this thread

[scooba]

Originally Posted by springer

Since you asked for help with a couple of questions, I'd like to respond with my perspective which differs somewhat from all the "expert" posts so far.

I see a nice dial/hand set and insert. A refinished case, a replacement crystal, replacement date wheel and a replacement winding crown.

The accessories are far from original and most of them have been cobbled together from later years. I do believe the warranty paper is original though, which is a plus.

The date wheel, contrary to popular belief and misidentified posts or threads by others in the past was off-white and not the brushed silver variety found during the later 1970s. (Below is a correct date wheel.)

Good luck with your watch!

Thank you John ! .

[scooba]

Originally Posted by teojjsg

A couple of wrist shots and leather nato works as I need the gap between the curved case to be 'filled'.

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Lovely Case and after nearly 50 years what case hasn't had a light detail , this looks like it was done properly

[bayareabuggs]

seems legit

[joli160]

I for one would be happy to get feedback on a watch by some as knowledgable as JP.
At least you know exactly what you have. Most members here including myself are not capable of judging a watch correctly.

[twnturbo]

looks great congrats love the patina

[scooba]

Originally Posted by joli160

I for one would be happy to get feedback on a watch by some as knowledgable as JP.
At least you know exactly what you have. Most members here including myself are not capable of judging a watch correctly.

X2

We are lucky we have JP willing to educate us !

And for free , I love reading his advice it is greatly appreciated by lots off us

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by joli160

I for one would be happy to get feedback on a watch by some as knowledgable as JP.
At least you know exactly what you have. Most members here including myself are not capable of judging a watch correctly.

Well said. This sums up the spirit of the forum. There's only one poster being negative here.

[baumare]

Originally Posted by bayareabuggs

Ok I noticed all of those points too, but unlike you guys I moderated my responses.

Again, its always the same guy(s).....

Good for you that you can “notice all those points too” without any expert help...

Congrats to the opener for the nice Red Sub!

[bayareabuggs]

Originally Posted by scooba

X2

We are lucky we have JP willing to educate us !

And for free , I love reading his advice it is greatly appreciated by lots off us

[teojjsg]

Dear friends, I really appreciate all the inputs, comments and encouragement from all parties.

From this, I am just disappointed that someone I trusted will actually try to pass off these accessories/parts as original to the watch. Good to know the truth even if it hurts. Thanks to all for pointing out.

And Buggs, thanks for the encouragement as well. I am enjoying the watch as it is. Staying put on my wrist as often as possible. :)

Now, a few photos under the sun so that everyone can enjoy and appreciate the watch as it is. Cheers guys!!!

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[bayareabuggs]

Originally Posted by teojjsg

Dear friends, I really appreciate all the inputs, comments and encouragement from all parties.

From this, I am just disappointed that someone I trusted will actually try to pass off these accessories/parts as original to the watch. Good to know the truth even if it hurts. Thanks to all for pointing out.

And Buggs, thanks for the encouragement as well. I am enjoying the watch as it is. Staying put on my wrist as often as possible. :)

Now, a few photos under the sun so that everyone can enjoy and appreciate the watch as it is. Cheers guys!!!

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Good to see you werent discouraged my man. Enjoy

[lupus66]

Its all in the dial

[daveo5]

I went looking for a birth year sub, but found out Rolex hadn’t designed one. About 10 years down the road.


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[swaini3]

Double post, sorry

[swaini3]

OP, dont be put down. it is possible that the seller was not aware of the replaced parts. there are may purists here that would prefer an all original / matching collection. Just take it as knowledge and free lessons. You have the cetificate (that's the important part) and its not like the parts are fake or the watch is. There are far worse watches out there.
Enjoy wearing it.

[GGGMT]

Seller may not have knowingly misled you. Plus the watch is just amazing.


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[Dries]

Big congrats!!

[kwcsports]

Beautiful watch, I love it. Congrats

[Frakis]

Originally Posted by swaini3

OP, dont be put down. it is possible that the seller was not aware of the replaced parts. there are may purists here that would prefer an all original / matching collection. Just take it as knowledge and free lessons. You have the cetificate (that's the important part) and its not like the parts are fake or the watch is. There are far worse watches out there.

Enjoy wearing it.

If the OP was told the date wheel, crown and accessories were original to the watch I would be turned off regardless if the dial looks good, or the warranty paper is authentic. It sounds like he paid a premium with the assumption everything was original. I personally would contact the seller.

Thank you John for pointing this out.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by joli160

I for one would be happy to get feedback on a watch by some as knowledgable as JP.
At least you know exactly what you have. Most members here including myself are not capable of judging a watch correctly.

This is true and agreed n

[Tavli3]

OP Beautiful watch. Difficult to find the perfect faultless example everyone expects.

I for one appreciate the honest opinions of the real experts on the forum. Without them this would be less of place to visit. I learn from each of these types of threads.

And if I’m fortunate to one day find my vintage grail I will post it fully expecting and hoping for every detailed to be scrutinized. Of which I have no doubt there will be something a miss since these guys don’t miss a trick.

But it will be the only way us nonexperts will ever truly know what we bought and allows us the opportunity to seek remedy if need be.


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[cwilson13]

Great looking watch overall.
Over time, if it bugs you (and it probably won’t), you can locate some of the non-originals bits and replace them.
Congrats and wear it well.

[1William]

Congratulations.

[FTX I]

Awesome watch. Huge congrats!