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masterkiller · 21 October 2011, 10:31 PM

Hi all,

Lately I have felt that my SubC is not that 'fun' anymore, I normally use my PAM112 all the time and the SubC sit in the watchbox :-(

I now have a chance to trade (and some cash) for an AP Royal Oak (Ref15300) What are your thoughts? I know I possibly will regret it in the long run but in the same time it feel like a waste having the SubC in the box?

Is the AP 15300 a good daily wearer (office environment), and for nights out and a glass of Rose wine and maybe an dip in the ocean from now and then?

I have other watches as my PAM112 and other beaters for real dirty jobs around the house etc...

I will trade my SubC and sell my Longines Legend Diver to cover the difference..

This will leave me with 2 'real watches the PAM112 and the AP...

What are your thoughts?

/masterkiller

rad87gn · 21 October 2011, 10:37 PM

Keep the Sub and continue to enjoy the 112. That's what I do. I wouldn't trade for an AP.

But, ultimately it's all about what you like to enjoy. If the Sub is "Subpar" get the AP. They are very nice as well.

All the highend nice watches are made for daily wear then some. That is not an issue.

Rolex old website had a place to go that said every single watch they make is made for daily wear "with various activities." I can't find it on their new website but all still holds true.

Cru Jones · 21 October 2011, 10:42 PM

you either love or hate the AP.....i happen to love it, both its history and its design.

which dial? blue?

agsstructures · 21 October 2011, 10:44 PM

Love the AP however the Sub is probably the best daily wearer you can have. I would say it depends on your needs, the AP has a low water resistance rating so not sure if this matters or not. I was in this boat last month when I was looking at the Royal Oak Chrono and the 15300. Ended up going with the Daytona because I felt it made a better daily wearer. I would keep the Sub and save for the AP. Good luck!

masterkiller · 21 October 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

you either love or hate the AP.....i happen to love it, both its history and its design.

which dial? blue?

Black dial, one concern is that it might wear smaller the SubC??? only 1mm difference but still...

Can anyone advise regarding the size???

/masterkiller

agsstructures · 21 October 2011, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterkiller

Black dial, one concern is that it might wear smaller the SubC???

Can anyone advise regarding the size???

/masterkiller

Size is fine, wears bigger than AP states due to the overall design of the watch. When I tried it on it was extremely comfortable. I would say much lighter than the Sub-C.

philcchoi · 21 October 2011, 10:47 PM

keep the sub c. its a classic and will never go out of style. (in the long run)

Randy · 21 October 2011, 10:49 PM

Have you considered the new AP Diver?

rad87gn · 21 October 2011, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterkiller

Can anyone advise regarding the size???

/masterkiller

39mm I believe. 1mm short of the Sub. It looks to be very similar least looking at pics of it. Looks nice.

I still think the Sub is a way better daily wear watch. And way better water resistance for it's size.

TSW · 21 October 2011, 10:51 PM

Martin, I would definitively keep the Sub and save up for the 15300.
Regarding the size it would wear smaller then the Sub.

Don't get me wrong I love the iconic 15300 but wouldn't want to trade away one of the best "beater" there is for it.

TSW · 21 October 2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad87gn

39mm I believe. 1mm short of the Sub.

39 is correct

emagni · 21 October 2011, 10:51 PM

What if you baby the AP as well ;-)

p_mcgee · 21 October 2011, 11:27 PM

I had the blue 15300-- nice watch but it turned out to be too sparkly and dressy for me. If you wear business casual it will probably work ok. I loved the 60 hour power reserve.

I sold it & am going the opposite direction and using the funds for a Sub C. Rolex is much more understated. One of my grail watches is still the Royal Oak Chrono panda.

SaddleSC · 21 October 2011, 11:36 PM

I love the 15300, but not as a replacement to the Sub C. Keep the Sub or you will most likely end up re-buying it in the future for more $$.

speedo · 21 October 2011, 11:39 PM

agree with most of the comments here. keep the sub and get the ap if you really want it. you have a nice trio with the pam and the legend diver, if you keep the sub, the ap will be a perfect addition.

p_mcgee · 21 October 2011, 11:44 PM

As for the 15300 size...thin and super comfortable. No easylink/glidelock or equivalent, but I never wished it had one.

The sub-c bulkiness is the only con on my list...hoping after a few months it won't be an issue. Definitely not expecting it to be a daily wearer.

nauticajoe · 21 October 2011, 11:49 PM

Definitely keep the SubC and save up for the AP.

Good luck!

Keeperoftime · 22 October 2011, 12:17 AM

I had 142790(36mm Royal Oak) for a while and can say AP is a great looking watch.

I loved the gray-ish dial on mine.

eric23 · 22 October 2011, 12:18 AM

AP makes nice watches but you can buy a lot of Rolex's for the price of one AP.

dddrees · 22 October 2011, 12:26 AM

I've been considering getting an AP, but I personally would want to trade a SubC for an AP.

Do what makes you happiest.

rossi46 · 22 October 2011, 12:31 AM

If you're not wearing the SubC, then that has to say something. I say go for the AP, especially since the PAM is your "daily."

Try the 15300, if you end up not in love with it the Sub will always be around.

TSW · 22 October 2011, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dddrees

I've been considering getting an AP

dddrees · 22 October 2011, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSW

So many nice watches, so little time.

Oyster1982 · 22 October 2011, 12:38 AM

If your looking for an office beater, a DJ is in order.

Lion · 22 October 2011, 12:42 AM

Go with the decision which makes you the happiest!!!

Mike1066 · 22 October 2011, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossi46

if you're not wearing the subc, then that has to say something. I say go for the ap, especially since the pam is your "daily."

try the 15300, if you end up not in love with it the sub will always be around.

+1

Like To Watch · 22 October 2011, 01:04 AM

Mercedes or Bmw. ???????

zeuloa · 22 October 2011, 01:26 AM

In your shoes I would sell the Panerai and buy the 15300 with the white dial.

The SubC and AP would make the perfect pair for me!

ocwatching · 22 October 2011, 01:29 AM

Well..both pieces can be obtained down the road..so don't let that affect your decision...

the AP will be more dressy...
I have the Diver but if I was going to go river rafting, the sub will get the call...

Gharddog03 · 22 October 2011, 01:31 AM

AP just doesn't do it for me. But it's your decision. Good luck.

21 October 2011, 10:31 PM	#1
masterkiller "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sweden Watch: Rolex, AP & PAM... Posts: 1,403	Cannot decide -Rolex or AP ??? Hi all, Lately I have felt that my SubC is not that 'fun' anymore, I normally use my PAM112 all the time and the SubC sit in the watchbox :-( I now have a chance to trade (and some cash) for an AP Royal Oak (Ref15300) What are your thoughts? I know I possibly will regret it in the long run but in the same time it feel like a waste having the SubC in the box? Is the AP 15300 a good daily wearer (office environment), and for nights out and a glass of Rose wine and maybe an dip in the ocean from now and then? I have other watches as my PAM112 and other beaters for real dirty jobs around the house etc... I will trade my SubC and sell my Longines Legend Diver to cover the difference.. This will leave me with 2 'real watches the PAM112 and the AP... What are your thoughts? /masterkiller __________________ Rolex - SubC... AP - Diver... Panerai - PAM380 Omega - Speedy PRO

21 October 2011, 10:37 PM	#2
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	Keep the Sub and continue to enjoy the 112. That's what I do. I wouldn't trade for an AP. But, ultimately it's all about what you like to enjoy. If the Sub is "Subpar" get the AP. They are very nice as well. All the highend nice watches are made for daily wear then some. That is not an issue. Rolex old website had a place to go that said every single watch they make is made for daily wear "with various activities." I can't find it on their new website but all still holds true. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

21 October 2011, 10:51 PM	#10
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Martin, I would definitively keep the Sub and save up for the 15300. Regarding the size it would wear smaller then the Sub. Don't get me wrong I love the iconic 15300 but wouldn't want to trade away one of the best "beater" there is for it. __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

21 October 2011, 10:51 PM	#12
emagni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on Earth Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,283	What if you baby the AP as well ;-) __________________ Watches: More than my fingers can count

21 October 2011, 11:36 PM	#14
SaddleSC "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Charles B Location: GMT -7 Watch: Hulk 116610LV Posts: 6,124	I love the 15300, but not as a replacement to the Sub C. Keep the Sub or you will most likely end up re-buying it in the future for more $$. __________________ Hulk 116610LV + GMT II 126710 BLNR + Explorer 124270 + Air King 126900 + Submariner 16613LB

21 October 2011, 10:42 PM	#3
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,492	you either love or hate the AP.....i happen to love it, both its history and its design. which dial? blue?

21 October 2011, 10:44 PM	#4
agsstructures 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,276	Love the AP however the Sub is probably the best daily wearer you can have. I would say it depends on your needs, the AP has a low water resistance rating so not sure if this matters or not. I was in this boat last month when I was looking at the Royal Oak Chrono and the 15300. Ended up going with the Daytona because I felt it made a better daily wearer. I would keep the Sub and save for the AP. Good luck!

21 October 2011, 10:47 PM	#7
philcchoi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: phil Location: chicago Watch: pam 312 Posts: 86	keep the sub c. its a classic and will never go out of style. (in the long run)

21 October 2011, 10:49 PM	#8
Randy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Randy Location: Ohio Watch: AP, Rolex, Panerai Posts: 1,241	Have you considered the new AP Diver?

21 October 2011, 11:27 PM	#13
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,149	I had the blue 15300-- nice watch but it turned out to be too sparkly and dressy for me. If you wear business casual it will probably work ok. I loved the 60 hour power reserve. I sold it & am going the opposite direction and using the funds for a Sub C. Rolex is much more understated. One of my grail watches is still the Royal Oak Chrono panda.

21 October 2011, 11:39 PM	#15
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	agree with most of the comments here. keep the sub and get the ap if you really want it. you have a nice trio with the pam and the legend diver, if you keep the sub, the ap will be a perfect addition. __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

21 October 2011, 11:44 PM	#16
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,149	As for the 15300 size...thin and super comfortable. No easylink/glidelock or equivalent, but I never wished it had one. The sub-c bulkiness is the only con on my list...hoping after a few months it won't be an issue. Definitely not expecting it to be a daily wearer.

21 October 2011, 11:49 PM	#17
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Definitely keep the SubC and save up for the AP. Good luck!

22 October 2011, 12:17 AM	#18
Keeperoftime "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Louisiana Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,732	I had 142790(36mm Royal Oak) for a while and can say AP is a great looking watch. I loved the gray-ish dial on mine. __________________ As a man is, so he sees. As the eye is formed, such are its powers. William Blake

22 October 2011, 12:18 AM	#19
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	AP makes nice watches but you can buy a lot of Rolex's for the price of one AP.

22 October 2011, 12:26 AM	#20
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,251	I've been considering getting an AP, but I personally would want to trade a SubC for an AP. Do what makes you happiest. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

22 October 2011, 12:31 AM	#21
rossi46 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Dan Location: CT, by a lake Watch: shopping Posts: 1,465	If you're not wearing the SubC, then that has to say something. I say go for the AP, especially since the PAM is your "daily." Try the 15300, if you end up not in love with it the Sub will always be around. __________________ A watch is about the entire package, not just its appearance. Any large watch company not making its own movement is not making a watch at all; they’re just playing dress-up. --The Watch Snob

22 October 2011, 12:38 AM	#24
Oyster1982 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ed Location: Jersey Shore Watch: Rolex DJ Posts: 1,905	If your looking for an office beater, a DJ is in order. __________________ It 10pm do you know where your Datejust is? http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/...DA0MC5qcGc.jpg

22 October 2011, 12:42 AM	#25
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	Go with the decision which makes you the happiest!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

22 October 2011, 01:04 AM	#27
Like To Watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,196	Mercedes or Bmw. ???????

22 October 2011, 01:26 AM	#28
zeuloa "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Jose Location: Here Watch: SEA-DWELLER Posts: 2,232	In your shoes I would sell the Panerai and buy the 15300 with the white dial. The SubC and AP would make the perfect pair for me!

22 October 2011, 01:29 AM	#29
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,372	Well..both pieces can be obtained down the road..so don't let that affect your decision... the AP will be more dressy... I have the Diver but if I was going to go river rafting, the sub will get the call... __________________ too much into watches...

22 October 2011, 01:31 AM	#30
Gharddog03 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Genaro Location: Fresno Ca. Watch: R O L E X Posts: 4,466	AP just doesn't do it for me. But it's your decision. Good luck.

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