Update on Update - Daytona Dilemma - the gift that keeps on giving

[JacksonRain]

Soooo, although I advised that I would stomach the scratches, like many here suspected, I eventually gave in and went back to the AD and had their Master watchmaker do a slight buff on the clasp. Everything turned out perfect, other than the fact that the entire watch was then placed in a ultrasonic commercial machine! I didn't even think anything of it at the time when I heard him turn it on.

After a few days, the watch was running approximately 12 seconds slow per day. No banging, no dropping, no nothing.

For the week that I had it, it was literally "self-regulating", plus one or minus one.... Basically, after 5 days, I could have it dead on. It was amazing. I guess that's close to perfect as you could ever expect.

Based on my research, it appears that in addition to unwanted oil migration, submerging a mechanism/watch head in an ultrasonic cleaner can cause other issues with the movement.

Now, I took it back to the watchmaker who confirmed after running a test that The amplitude is apparently "fine" got there are no significant beat errors, but it's running average of about 9 seconds slow. On the actual wrist it's actually worse than that, about -12 to - 13. Strangely, I asked for the printout but he declined.

Anyway, he said that he would regulate it, as an option, which I respectfully rejected. The watch is going to make its way to RSC and the ad is taking care of everything.

The watch technician has apparently advised this ad that it is okay to submerge a watch in the ultrasonic as long as it is not put there "too long". The watchmaker denied that the ultrasonic could ever caused this issue or any issue. Although I'm not a watch technician, it seems that there is a consensus, based on my research, including various threads, and discussions with other watchmakers, that a watch case with the movement inside should NEVER be placed in an ultrasonic machine. In fact, there are accounts on watchuseek as the well as trf that state significant effect to timepieces as a result of placing watches in ultrasonic with movement attached. Bas said in one post that, even if there is no imminently apparent adverse affect, there could be issues that surface later on down the line due to this malpractice.

Anyway, I never thought that 2 weeks within purchase, I would have the watch buffed, and now the back opened. Especially someone like me. God give me strength.

If I would have been strong enough to just let it be, perhaps at least the internal components would have remained perfect. Who knows.

Here's to the next chapter.

Please send me some of that positive trf energy and lucky vibes.

On the bright side, at least I get to revisit one of my favorites, the beautiful BLRO, in the meantime.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

If I would have been strong enough to just let it be, perhaps at least the internal components would have remained perfect. Who knows.

Hind sight is 20/20. Anyway, I hope you get it back sooner rather than later friend : thumbsup:

[Pantheon]

Putting that watch into the ultrasonic cleaner was irresponsible to say the least. I hope the RSC takes care of it

[Ihatecheese]

Don't stress too much. It's a pretty watch. Not your health or something of actual consequence..

If the AD did something wrong then they will surely rectify it. Typically the AD or Rolex will know better than anonymous enthusiasts on the internet.

I hope all is resolved soon.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Ihatecheese

Don't stress too much. It's a pretty watch. Not your health or something of actual consequence..

If the AD did something wrong then they will surely rectify it. Typically the AD or Rolex will know better than anonymous enthusiasts on the internet.

I hope all is resolved soon.

You are correct. But as to the second part, that's only true if the anonymous contributors are erroneously posing as Rolex service center agents/technicians ;).

[42itus]

Focus on the positives. You have a lot to be grateful for. I won't patronize you and say it's just a watch. Because to many people here these things are much much more than just a watch. I don't get it but I respect it.

But besides the watch, the fact that you have the financial capability to own multiple luxury timepieces is certainly cause to be grateful for in the bigger scheme of things. So yeah, focus on the positives. You have a watch that many people are literally going a little crazy for.

[dimag333]

Where the hell are you shopping man

steve

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by dimag333

Where the hell are you shopping man

steve

still believe them to be one of the best ADs in the world. No cap (as they say these days). Did you call your AD in NYC to ask about me, since my response to you in the old thread ;)

[Simon_jrees]

An "apparent" watch specialist said it was ok to put a full watch, movement and all in an ultrasonic tank for a short period?! He's in the wrong job then.

[dxbtousa]

The story that keeps on giving. Lesson learned RSC or nothing.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Simon_jrees

An "apparent" watch specialist said it was ok to put a full watch, movement and all in an ultrasonic tank for a short period?! He's in the wrong job then.

A CR21 Rolex Cert watchmaker with over 20 years experience, believe or not. He said super Rolex standards are is -2 +6, instead of -2 plus +2 and then he referenced the -4 plus 6 COSC incorrectly. I don't know what he said but I remember I had to correct him...then he showed me a picture of the two screws that he could adjust to regulate. I told him I quite familiar with the regulation process. I was just not impressed with him.

I'm sure he does decent work most of the time, but some things were just off. It burns because like many here, I'm super anal about accuracy. I get major enjoyment and satisfaction when I see some of these extremely accurate timekeeping mechanical movements. So it really sucks to see this happen when some Swiss watchmaker did so, so well to get it just right.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by dxbtousa

The story that keeps on giving. Lesson learned RSC or nothing.

I just need a happy ending...

[Randy63]

Why on earth would he think that a nearly brand new Rolex would need an ultrasonic cleaning in the first place?

[jvb.nc]

damn dude.

comedy of errors at your expense with this particular AD.

positive vibes!! and the 126710 is fire.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

A CR21 Rolex Cert watchmaker with over 20 years experience, believe or not. He said super Rolex standards are is -2 +6, instead of -2 plus +2 and then he referenced the -4 plus 6 COSC incorrectly. I don't know what he said but I remember I had to correct him...then he showed me a picture of the two screws that he could adjust to regulate. I told him I quite familiar with the regulation process. I was just not impressed with him.

I'm sure he does decent work most of the time, but some things were just off. It burns because like many here, I'm super anal about accuracy. I get major enjoyment and satisfaction when I see some of these extremely accurate timekeeping mechanical movements. So it really sucks to see this happen when some Swiss watchmaker did so, so well to get it just right.

CW21 (correction). And if you accurately describe this so called "watchmaker" he doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground. He is clearly inept and should be making his living doing something else. I hope your watch comes back from RSC devoid of any scratches, or any other damage. Best of luck.

[cdubg21]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Soooo, although I advised that I would stomach the scratches, like many here suspected, I eventually gave in and went back to the AD and had their Master watchmaker do a slight buff on the clasp. Everything turned out perfect, other than the fact that the entire watch was then placed in a ultrasonic commercial machine! I didn't even think anything of it at the time when I heard him turn it on.

After a few days, the watch was running approximately 12 seconds slow per day. No banging, no dropping, no nothing.

For the week that I had it, it was literally "self-regulating", plus one or minus one.... Basically, after 5 days, I could have it dead on. It was amazing. I guess that's close to perfect as you could ever expect.

Based on my research, it appears that in addition to unwanted oil migration, submerging a mechanism/watch head in an ultrasonic cleaner can cause other issues with the movement.

Now, I took it back to the watchmaker who confirmed after running a test that The amplitude is apparently "fine" got there are no significant beat errors, but it's running average of about 9 seconds slow. On the actual wrist it's actually worse than that, about -12 to - 13. Strangely, I asked for the printout but he declined.

Anyway, he said that he would regulate it, as an option, which I respectfully rejected. The watch is going to make its way to RSC and the ad is taking care of everything.

The watch technician has apparently advised this ad that it is okay to submerge a watch in the ultrasonic as long as it is not put there "too long". The watchmaker denied that the ultrasonic could ever caused this issue or any issue. Although I'm not a watch technician, it seems that there is a consensus, based on my research, including various threads, and discussions with other watchmakers, that a watch case with the movement inside should NEVER be placed in an ultrasonic machine. In fact, there are accounts on watchuseek as the well as trf that state significant effect to timepieces as a result of placing watches in ultrasonic with movement attached. Bas said in one post that, even if there is no imminently apparent adverse affect, there could be issues that surface later on down the line due to this malpractice.

Anyway, I never thought that 2 weeks within purchase, I would have the watch buffed, and now the back opened. Especially someone like me. God give me strength.

If I would have been strong enough to just let it be, perhaps at least the internal components would have remained perfect. Who knows.

Here's to the next chapter.

Please send me some of that positive trf energy and lucky vibes.

On the bright side, at least I get to revisit one of my favorites, the beautiful BLRO, in the meantime.

Good example of a situation where “do nothing” is better than “do something” when it comes to a minor cosmetic issue

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

CW21 (correction). And if you accurately describe this so called "watchmaker" he doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground. He is clearly inept and should be making his living doing something else. I hope your watch comes back from RSC devoid of any scratches, or any other damage. Best of luck.

Yes you're correct. I just pleaded with the AD to contact RSC, and confirm whether it's unsafe, so they stop this rediculous and damaging practice due to misinformation under the direction of this watchmaker.

[Brian Page]

That's too bad. I've never heard anyone say it's okay to put a watch head in an ultrasound. That's horrible. Best of luck to you!

[dimag333]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

still believe them to be one of the best ADs in the world. No cap (as they say these days). Did you call your AD in NYC to ask about me, since my response to you in the old thread ;)

Sorry I am not sure what your taking abojt, lots happening, what’s no cap?

steve

[JacksonRain]

.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by dimag333

Sorry I am not sure what your taking abojt, lots happening, what’s no cap?



steve

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urb...2bcap&amp=true

[037]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

If I would have been strong enough to just let it be

I truly hope you get this worked out. You've at least identified the issue. That's step one.

Your movement will be completely disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled properly. It will be fine in the end.

[mykii]

At least you have the Pepsi to enjoy! Will make a great duo when the Daytona is worked out.

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by 42itus

Focus on the positives. You have a lot to be grateful for. I won't patronize you and say it's just a watch. Because to many people here these things are much much more than just a watch. I don't get it but I respect it.

But besides the watch, the fact that you have the financial capability to own multiple luxury timepieces is certainly cause to be grateful for in the bigger scheme of things. So yeah, focus on the positives. You have a watch that many people are literally going a little crazy for.

Exactly. Stepping back and keeping things in perspective can do a world of good.

Having said that, I do hope the RSC gets you fixed up quickly. Sorry you have had this unfortunate experience.

[bp1000]

I obsess over detail too, wether its work or things or plans. Its either in your character or it isn't.

I can't tell you how to fix it but for me, I can tell you, I see scratches, dents, issues and the irritate me. But I deal with it because nothing in life is perfect. Everything has imperfections and that can sometimes make it more interesting and characterful.

You just have to basically figure our how to deal with your stupid obsessions. (Speaking from experience, not insulting you).

You'll get your watch back and it will be fine, and it will have been opened before and several times to come.

[alex.cicollo]

Sorry for my ignorance but what does an ultrasonic cleaner do? And why/when is it harmful? And when should it used? Thanks


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[fed_fan]

Sorry to hear that...what a shame. Hard to believe that any technician would do that but can't say I'm surprised. Sounds like this person couldn't be inconvenienced to just remove the clasp itself.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by alex.cicollo

Sorry for my ignorance but what does an ultrasonic cleaner do? And why/when is it harmful? And when should it used? Thanks


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It's a cleaner, often used in various industries to clean parts, including jewelry, tools, metal, etc. It basically comes in a variety of sizes with differing voltage/power.

It can clean the gunk out of things it's with its vibrations. There is a more detailed science to it. I don't know it but I've seen it posted before.

So many members use it to clean their bracelets, but of course they take it off the watch head. You can get them for as cheap as $40, or more powerful ones 4 / $1,000, commercial grade. Watchmakers use it as well, but the watch is supposed to be disassembled, so only the mid case and the bracelet are supposed to be placed in it. As I'm writing this I'm getting angrier and more frustrated.

[alex.cicollo]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

It's a cleaner, often used in various industries to clean parts, including jewelry, tools, metal, etc. It basically comes in a variety of sizes with differing voltage/power.

It can clean the gunk out of things it's with its vibrations. There is a more detailed science to it. I don't know it but I've seen it posted before.

So many members use it to clean their bracelets, but of course they take it off the watch head. You can get them for as cheap as $40, or more powerful ones 4 / $1,000, commercial grade. Watchmakers use it as well, but the watch is supposed to be disassembled, so only the mid case and the bracelet are supposed to be placed in it. As I'm writing this I'm getting angrier and more frustrated.

Thank you. Ouch, how very careless and irresponsible. I really feel your pain..... :(


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[envuks]

I’m sorry to hear this. The only feedback that o have to offer is that it seems your self proclaimed “OCD” behavior is doing more harm than good. Maybe think about just wearing and enjoying them rather than trying to keep everything perfect