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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
Yes, no issues | 1,054 | 69.71% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine | 62 | 4.10% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) | 396 | 26.19% | |
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17 May 2023, 08:40 AM | #4111 | |
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17 May 2023, 03:34 PM | #4112 | |
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Received it back from the RSC today and 6 weeks is good considering the RSC is 850 km from me in another State. In perfect condition as sent. I will wear it for a few days and check the results. No information was given to tha AD regarding any issues.
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17 May 2023, 08:48 PM | #4113 |
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It is beautiful the French forum ... That's why I prefer the English forum :
Indeed, let's stay focused on the subject: 1. You have equipment to measure the precision and the amplitude of your watch which is "your first rolex". 2. You have some knowledge of the subject and you have just arrived on FAM 3. Apparently nobody has any problem on his 32xx on the forum, and nobody has heard about it around him... So if I recapitulate, wouldn't we be in the presence of a small campaign of defamation organized by a professional (watch seller except rolex of course who is struggling a little, and who has maybe a nice stock of omega to sell, or paid by a brand...) as we have it is true rarely known on FAM but as the US forums know it regularly with in particular members paid to criticize or to praise such or such brand Anyway, I have the impression that France is spared from 32xx problems, but after all it's maybe because they are all in the safe, isn't it... |
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19 May 2023, 04:16 AM | #4115 |
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I'm not going to send it back. The good thing is that in a few months I will be able to compare it with the measurements I have taken and depending on that, I will decide whether or not to send it to the RSC |
19 May 2023, 04:31 AM | #4116 |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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21 May 2023, 12:41 AM | #4117 |
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Surely not? Technically, his watch meets the Rolex specification of >= 200 degrees in all positions after 24 hours. My 126613 is 190 degrees DU and 168 degrees CD after 24 hours. I personally wouldn't send his watch in with the current readings. It is too close to the "gray" area where they may not be compelled to service it. If it's got a real problem it'll present itself definitively before long.
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23 May 2023, 04:17 AM | #4118 |
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Welp, I sent my watch back in (second time) for the sickness. It was losing 15 sec per day.
I waited as long as I could before the warranty running out. I REALLY hope there's a permanent fix for this by now - next service will be on me...wish me luck. I took in my broken DJ as well as my Pelagos which has stopped winding itself. I think the rotor came lose on that one. So I'm watchless for a few months. :( |
23 May 2023, 06:54 AM | #4119 |
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Mike, your watch is from 05/2018?
When was the first repair? After this date, how long did it run well until you noticed timekeeping issues for the first time? |
23 May 2023, 09:06 AM | #4120 | |
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Looking at my record, it ran well from July 2019 (when I got it back) until December 2019 when it was back to losing 3-4 seconds per day. Last week it lost a minute in 5 days. :( |
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23 May 2023, 10:52 AM | #4121 | |
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23 May 2023, 04:36 PM | #4122 | |
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Watchmaker Al of Archer Watches posted this overview of the issues with the 32 series on Watchuseek and saxo suggested I share it here:
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23 May 2023, 06:04 PM | #4123 | |
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It's by far the best technical part I have read about the 32xx movement issues. Watchmaker Al (of Archer Watches) should join this thread if he has not done yet … |
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23 May 2023, 06:13 PM | #4124 | |
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Thank you. The original post by Al is so clear and pretty easy to understand without any formal technical knowledge. A True "Gem:" of a post.
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23 May 2023, 08:25 PM | #4125 |
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Very informative post. Thank you for sharing
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So this basically means that Rolex shoot themselves in the foot and now they're fighting to get the bullet out of it. I'm curious of what the naysayers may have to add now.
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23 May 2023, 11:01 PM | #4127 | |
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However, I’m still not entirely clear why/ how the problem arises in the first place. If the watch has been keeping good time for several months, what happens to precipitate the sudden reduction in precision? Is there a known trigger? Equally, why would the watch, after repair and keeping good time, suddenly start losing time once more (in many cases)? Once again, thank you! |
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Sorry to digress from this thread, I just thought I’d give Al some credit where credit is due |
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24 May 2023, 12:58 AM | #4129 |
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Hello,
I’ve been tracking the precision of my Rolex Submariner (movement 3230) since I bought it in October 2021, by synchronizing precisely the hour with an atomic clock everytime I set it. I wear my watch 24/7, shower with it, etc. Here are my results : 1. +22s in 140d > +0.2 spd 2. -09s in 127d > -0.1 spd 3. -15s in 14d > -1.0 spd 4. -48s in 37d > -1.3 spd 5. -48s in 31d > -1.6 spd 6. -52s in 56d > -0.9 spd 7. -61s in 48d > -1.3 spd 8. -62s in 52d > -1.2 spd 9. -40s in 18d > -2.2 spd 10. -62s in 27d > -2.3 spd 11. -80s in 26d > -3.1 spd As you can see, the precision for the first 200+ days was incredible, and then it slowly started to slow down until some days ago where it got under the -3 spd mark breaking what I understand is the superlative standard of Rolex (-2/+2). The watch is 1.5 year old so still under warranty. I’m wondering if it would be useful to bring it to the RSC now. I would appreciate your opinion on this. Thanks a lot, Michael |
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And a follow-up comment and question from the final paragraph:
“So do they know what the problem is? Yes, I'm sure they do by now. The problem that presents itself is repairing this issue without sacrificing any of the promised performance metrics that this movement is known for. So that means not changing the accuracy and power reserve goals. It's not that they don't know what to do, because they have built plenty of robust movements in the past - it's doing so while maintaining the current performance demands that is the issue.” Given the apparent difficulty in achieving the movements objectives, one also has to wonder whether a permanent solution can be found at all, or whether it simply comes down to the skill/ luck of the watchmaker in reassembling one’s watch after a service? |
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What does the mainspring talk matter (it is interesting and informative)? These watches run so spot on when fresh (the spring and PR doesn't effect the timekeeping then) we're left to wonder what makes them go south after 6-9 months of continuous running.
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24 May 2023, 03:17 AM | #4133 |
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As would I. Slightly galling if all these problems arise from attempting to achieve a 70hr power reserve, which to me is pointless anyway! Had I known all of this before buying my Explorer, I’d simply have bought one of the earlier 36mm models.
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I imagine there are literally scores of watchmakers either scratching their heads or tearing their hair out over the 32xx movements. When all is said and done the common denominator is the escapement as the single biggest factor that stands out. Any other changes apart from the spring barrel seem to be secondary but I suspect there is a deeper concern that may involve a number of converging aspects of the design that are amplifying or causing a core issue that's not obvious. |
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Does anyone have a mass spectrometer kicking about? |
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