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TimeToGo · 26 February 2009, 03:10 AM

I love this Forum, TRF is the best!

But I guess some opportunists also linger around.

This was completely my fault! NO EXCUSES

I spoke to "Brian Dean Ochaba" - PITTERPATTER - on the phone regarding my For Sale post of the No-date sub. Seemed like a pleasant "scumbag" I guess you may say.

We agreed on the price and the form of payment. Out of the stupidness of my heart, I mailed the watch without receiving payment. Yes it is my mistake, but I am a "nice" and stupid person, you may call me.

This is just my nature of been. I am sure he will put this for sale somewhere. He also uses Watchnet Id of "Brian0105" and "Lucky05" on Watchnet.

I have also learned he uses:

Brian Ockaba
Brian Dean
Deanbrian72@Yahoo.com
Azwingman@rocketmail.com
He is believed to be employed with Wingman Corporation.
Tel # - (480) 306-3320.

I believe he will get his, maybe not now but in the future....hopefully 10 fold.

All right, TRF let me HAVE IT and I will read it.

You can say - how could you....hope you learned your lesson....whatever, it may not be the last time I hear it.

But I will be a wee more careful.

BUT.....I will always be a nice guy!

SEE YOU ALL IN THE WATCHOUT SECTION WHERE I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME....

If he by any changes his mind, I will update this post (but I doubt it).

CHEERS!

Mosco · 26 February 2009, 03:17 AM

480 - that's Scottsdale, AZ exchange, right? You have his address? I CAN HELP.

seantk · 26 February 2009, 03:23 AM

I am sorry to hear that your "good faith" in people lost you your watch. I hope you recover it or get your money.

Good luck and keep us posted

Sean

Dan Pierce · 26 February 2009, 03:40 AM

Takes a lot of b@ll$ to admit this publicly. Seems like no lecture is necessary. You've identified your fault and have accepted the sad result. I'm sorry it worked out this way.

Good guys will always prevail.

dP

kcmo · 26 February 2009, 03:44 AM

I agree with Dan. I'm so sorry you got scammed. You don't need us to lecture you. Please be careful in the future!

busa180 · 26 February 2009, 03:51 AM

That sucks big time mate. I do hope you get it sorted. Get a police report filed ASAP with your local PD. If he does not resolve this, post all his details on this and every other watch forum. Keep your chin up.

ayeya · 26 February 2009, 03:54 AM

call his company and complain!

Prince · 26 February 2009, 04:04 AM

Paulie knows some people who know some people that can take care of this, if ya know what I mean...

Seriously though, as badly as that sucks, you may have done just the right thing to expose this kind of ripoff. We are all sorry for your hopefully-temporary loss.

worldexpro · 26 February 2009, 04:41 AM

Sorry about your loss. That's why TRF is for - let everyone know and take cautions in the future.

scottschoe · 26 February 2009, 06:03 AM

Any way you can reroute the package, or has it been delivered?

ossodiseppia · 26 February 2009, 07:19 AM

Add this email address too.

brianockaba@rocketmail.com

And I found this in Google:

Phonebook results for "Brian Dean" arizona

Brian Dean (480) 636-8631 Chandler, AZ 85286 Map
Brian Dean (480) 345-2509 3152 S Extension Rd, Mesa, AZ 85210

anglykos · 26 February 2009, 07:44 AM

No-one will let you have it for being a nice guy. This forum is a community that should and will assist by any means possible so that con artists get their dues. I sincerely hope that things work one way or another. You have this guy's working address - so use it against him. And file a police report also.

DSJ · 26 February 2009, 07:55 AM

I have found some information on a Brian Dean Ochaba out of Chandler, Arizona. PM me.

Latrodectus · 26 February 2009, 08:44 AM

Sorry to hear about that! No one to trust any more! Too bad. And it looks like people like this are getting away with it too...

Carolina · 26 February 2009, 08:52 AM

That stinks! I'm sorry this happened to you.

Mosco · 27 February 2009, 10:41 AM

What's new? I can 'release the hounds' on demand!

ossodiseppia · 27 February 2009, 10:59 AM

That guy is online at this very moment.

He appears to be active and posting away. One would think that if he really cared about his rep, he'd respond to this thread. Tsk, tsk.

lawrenceb · 1 March 2009, 07:20 AM

Add this email address to.. brianockaba@rocketmail.com

He has emailed 50 times about pieces I have listed.

Z-Sub · 1 March 2009, 12:19 PM

Please also post at the Deal Watch section of watchnet dot com to warn others. Thanks.

Bisquitlips · 1 March 2009, 01:40 PM

Oh man I hate to hear this!!

But thanks for having the courage to share this with us. I can't believe these people can sleep at night. Crap!!

Please keep us updated!

onkyo · 1 March 2009, 03:56 PM

TTG,

Sorry about your loss here.

Hopefully this person will come to their senses and pay you for your piece.

If not, we will find him one way or another.

Bisquitlips · 2 March 2009, 01:03 AM

Norman,

Once you are sure that this guy has actually stolen your watch, make sure you file a police report both locally (as that is where the sale originated) and in Chandler, AZ.

The FBI also has an internet fraud division that you need to report to.

All of this will give many teeth to your prosecution.

Remember that an IP address of a computer can be nailed down to the exact location. Especially if this guys was stupid enough to post from his home. The Admins here can probably help with that and the police can order the ISP to release that information, but again a police report / complaint for theft is paramount.

Here is a site you can determine the guy's information once you have his IP. http://www.ip2location.com/. Then go here to put in the Lat and Lon. http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp. This is all public information.

The ISP can then be contacted by the authorities for a confirmed address where the fraud was initiated from.

If you will press in, you can nail this guy and we will be glad to help.

bewithabob · 2 March 2009, 09:33 AM

We have to nail this person.

TempoKing · 3 March 2009, 12:53 PM

Perhaps any TRF friends in these areas can help with the
following info...??,
I would, if this had happened in my neck of the woods.

Brian Dean Ochaba
Or Brian Dean
Possibly employed by the Wingman Corporation.
Possible telephones
(480) 306-3320.
(480) 636-8631 Chandler, AZ 85286 Map
(480) 345-2509 3152 S Extension Rd, Mesa, AZ 85210

yiannis · 3 March 2009, 07:03 PM

I dont beleive it TTG, you the specialist on Watch out!?...
take a look here also please:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=50888
this person gives also this email address & telephone to other members here in TRF: 480-699-1135, lovinyou_80@yahoo.com

TimeToGo · 3 March 2009, 08:28 PM

UPDATE - Brian sent me an email that I would be receiving the funds ASAP. This has not occured yet but hopefully very soon.

This has not been an easy ordeal. I am willing to wait a day or so.

Until this is over, I will remain on the sideline and provide you (hopefully) with the final update soon...

Thanks for all the support!!!!

train-time · 3 March 2009, 10:55 PM

Good news! Let's keep our fingers crossed that he delivers.

I did a similar thing many years ago and refunded a guys money for a piece that he wasn't happy with before he returned it. Stupid huh!! After weeks of bull from him he finally told me it was stolen from his office while waiting for the UPS man to come pick it up. Later on it mysteriously re-appeared with no explanation, but I never received it. It was a gift for his wife and my bet is that all the time she was wearing it.

Long story short .. I am on the East coast so I hired an attorney in Idaho and we went after the guy. Amazingly, hours before the court time a certified check appeared. Luckily I found an attorney that did the whole thing for a little over $100+ plus expenses for filing, etc.

tthopp05 · 4 March 2009, 02:43 AM

He will get his in the END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

ippon20 · 4 March 2009, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

UPDATE - Brian sent me an email that I would be receiving the funds ASAP. This has not occured yet but hopefully very soon.

This has not been an easy ordeal. I am willing to wait a day or so.

Until this is over, I will remain on the sideline and provide you (hopefully) with the final update soon...

Thanks for all the support!!!!

Hang tight a couple days max! Then, release the hounds!

mailman · 4 March 2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tthopp05

He will get his in the END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

If he doesn't come thru with the funds, hopefully it will be in prision

26 February 2009, 03:10 AM	#1
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,601	Pitterpatter is a THIEF! I lost my no-date sub. I love this Forum, TRF is the best! But I guess some opportunists also linger around. This was completely my fault! NO EXCUSES I spoke to "Brian Dean Ochaba" - PITTERPATTER - on the phone regarding my For Sale post of the No-date sub. Seemed like a pleasant "scumbag" I guess you may say. We agreed on the price and the form of payment. Out of the stupidness of my heart, I mailed the watch without receiving payment. Yes it is my mistake, but I am a "nice" and stupid person, you may call me. This is just my nature of been. I am sure he will put this for sale somewhere. He also uses Watchnet Id of "Brian0105" and "Lucky05" on Watchnet. I have also learned he uses: Brian Ockaba Brian Dean Deanbrian72@Yahoo.com Azwingman@rocketmail.com He is believed to be employed with Wingman Corporation. Tel # - (480) 306-3320. I believe he will get his, maybe not now but in the future....hopefully 10 fold. All right, TRF let me HAVE IT and I will read it. You can say - how could you....hope you learned your lesson....whatever, it may not be the last time I hear it. But I will be a wee more careful. BUT.....I will always be a nice guy! SEE YOU ALL IN THE WATCHOUT SECTION WHERE I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME.... If he by any changes his mind, I will update this post (but I doubt it). CHEERS!

26 February 2009, 03:17 AM	#2
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	480 - that's Scottsdale, AZ exchange, right? You have his address? I CAN HELP. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

26 February 2009, 03:23 AM	#3
seantk "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Sean Location: West Florida Posts: 2,671	I am sorry to hear that your "good faith" in people lost you your watch. I hope you recover it or get your money. Good luck and keep us posted Sean __________________ "Life is frittered away with detail... simplify, simplify!" Henry D. Thoreau

26 February 2009, 03:40 AM	#4
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,794	Takes a lot of b@ll$ to admit this publicly. Seems like no lecture is necessary. You've identified your fault and have accepted the sad result. I'm sorry it worked out this way. Good guys will always prevail. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

26 February 2009, 04:04 AM	#8
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Paulie knows some people who know some people that can take care of this, if ya know what I mean... Seriously though, as badly as that sucks, you may have done just the right thing to expose this kind of ripoff. We are all sorry for your hopefully-temporary loss. __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

26 February 2009, 03:44 AM	#5
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	I agree with Dan. I'm so sorry you got scammed. You don't need us to lecture you. Please be careful in the future!

26 February 2009, 03:51 AM	#6
busa180 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Jerry Location: NY Watch: Granda's Posts: 312	That sucks big time mate. I do hope you get it sorted. Get a police report filed ASAP with your local PD. If he does not resolve this, post all his details on this and every other watch forum. Keep your chin up.

26 February 2009, 03:54 AM	#7
ayeya Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC Watch: Daytona "M" series Posts: 133	call his company and complain!

26 February 2009, 04:41 AM	#9
worldexpro "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 10	Sorry about your loss. That's why TRF is for - let everyone know and take cautions in the future.

26 February 2009, 06:03 AM	#10
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	Any way you can reroute the package, or has it been delivered? __________________ __________________

26 February 2009, 07:19 AM	#11
ossodiseppia Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Colorado Watch: Tudor Sub Posts: 95	Add this email address too. brianockaba@rocketmail.com And I found this in Google: Phonebook results for "Brian Dean" arizona Brian Dean (480) 636-8631 Chandler, AZ 85286 Map Brian Dean (480) 345-2509 3152 S Extension Rd, Mesa, AZ 85210

26 February 2009, 07:44 AM	#12
anglykos "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Manos Location: ITS Watch: Bedside alarm Posts: 209	No-one will let you have it for being a nice guy. This forum is a community that should and will assist by any means possible so that con artists get their dues. I sincerely hope that things work one way or another. You have this guy's working address - so use it against him. And file a police report also.

26 February 2009, 07:55 AM	#13
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	I have found some information on a Brian Dean Ochaba out of Chandler, Arizona. PM me. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

26 February 2009, 08:44 AM	#14
Latrodectus 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Fred Location: KY, USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 9,996	Sorry to hear about that! No one to trust any more! Too bad. And it looks like people like this are getting away with it too... __________________ Member # 16057 4-Hands Club Tosser Club Member TRF Skypers Group

26 February 2009, 08:52 AM	#15
Carolina "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Watch: it, Bubba! Posts: 6,271	That stinks! I'm sorry this happened to you. __________________ . .Member #5380 .

27 February 2009, 10:41 AM	#16
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	What's new? I can 'release the hounds' on demand! __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

27 February 2009, 10:59 AM	#17
ossodiseppia Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Colorado Watch: Tudor Sub Posts: 95	That guy is online at this very moment. He appears to be active and posting away. One would think that if he really cared about his rep, he'd respond to this thread. Tsk, tsk.

1 March 2009, 07:20 AM	#18
lawrenceb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: United States Posts: 20,695	Add this email address to.. brianockaba@rocketmail.com He has emailed 50 times about pieces I have listed.

1 March 2009, 12:19 PM	#19
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Please also post at the Deal Watch section of watchnet dot com to warn others. Thanks. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

1 March 2009, 01:40 PM	#20
Bisquitlips 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,501	Oh man I hate to hear this!! But thanks for having the courage to share this with us. I can't believe these people can sleep at night. Crap!! Please keep us updated! __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

1 March 2009, 03:56 PM	#21
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	TTG, Sorry about your loss here. Hopefully this person will come to their senses and pay you for your piece. If not, we will find him one way or another.

2 March 2009, 01:03 AM	#22
Bisquitlips 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,501	Norman, Once you are sure that this guy has actually stolen your watch, make sure you file a police report both locally (as that is where the sale originated) and in Chandler, AZ. The FBI also has an internet fraud division that you need to report to. All of this will give many teeth to your prosecution. Remember that an IP address of a computer can be nailed down to the exact location. Especially if this guys was stupid enough to post from his home. The Admins here can probably help with that and the police can order the ISP to release that information, but again a police report / complaint for theft is paramount. Here is a site you can determine the guy's information once you have his IP. http://www.ip2location.com/. Then go here to put in the Lat and Lon. http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp. This is all public information. The ISP can then be contacted by the authorities for a confirmed address where the fraud was initiated from. If you will press in, you can nail this guy and we will be glad to help. __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

2 March 2009, 09:33 AM	#23
bewithabob "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Bob Location: Dallas, Texas Watch: Daytona Meteorite Posts: 3,413	We have to nail this person. __________________ meteor flying to Earth onto my wrist... 116509 Daytona Meteorite, 116520 Daytona Black, 116710 GMTIIC, 16013 DATEJUST, CARTIER SANTOS 100 W20090X8, IWC Big Pilot, IWC Top Gun "Everything works out in the end. If it hasn't worked out, it's not the end."

3 March 2009, 12:53 PM	#24
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,497	Perhaps any TRF friends in these areas can help with the following info...??, I would, if this had happened in my neck of the woods. Brian Dean Ochaba Or Brian Dean Possibly employed by the Wingman Corporation. Possible telephones (480) 306-3320. (480) 636-8631 Chandler, AZ 85286 Map (480) 345-2509 3152 S Extension Rd, Mesa, AZ 85210

3 March 2009, 07:03 PM	#25
yiannis Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Yiannis Location: Greece Watch: of course Rolex! Posts: 134	I dont beleive it TTG, you the specialist on Watch out!?... take a look here also please: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=50888 this person gives also this email address & telephone to other members here in TRF: 480-699-1135, lovinyou_80@yahoo.com

3 March 2009, 08:28 PM	#26
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,601	UPDATE - Brian sent me an email that I would be receiving the funds ASAP. This has not occured yet but hopefully very soon. This has not been an easy ordeal. I am willing to wait a day or so. Until this is over, I will remain on the sideline and provide you (hopefully) with the final update soon... Thanks for all the support!!!!

3 March 2009, 10:55 PM	#27
train-time "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Maryland, USA Watch: All gone! Posts: 4,005	Good news! Let's keep our fingers crossed that he delivers. I did a similar thing many years ago and refunded a guys money for a piece that he wasn't happy with before he returned it. Stupid huh!! After weeks of bull from him he finally told me it was stolen from his office while waiting for the UPS man to come pick it up. Later on it mysteriously re-appeared with no explanation, but I never received it. It was a gift for his wife and my bet is that all the time she was wearing it. Long story short .. I am on the East coast so I hired an attorney in Idaho and we went after the guy. Amazingly, hours before the court time a certified check appeared. Luckily I found an attorney that did the whole thing for a little over $100+ plus expenses for filing, etc.

4 March 2009, 02:43 AM	#28
tthopp05 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NY Watch: THE MIGHTY DEEPSEA Posts: 839	He will get his in the END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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