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Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 12:43 AM

I do.

https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/milsu...US&SETCURR=USD

Was advertised for $33,410 and apparently is now sold.....

Dan S · 2 February 2023, 01:10 AM

I didn't get past the dial, printing looks horrible.

baumare · 2 February 2023, 02:50 AM

Watchmaker with shaking hands?

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ExplorerI · 2 February 2023, 02:57 AM

It’s a minefield out there

Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 03:01 AM

Acrylic glass can distort terribly if worn and scratched, so don't be misled by that.

TimeLord2 · 2 February 2023, 04:13 AM

Sword hands?

Arnozerosix · 2 February 2023, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Acrylic glass can distort terribly if worn and scratched, so don't be misled by that.

i don't think this distortion is due to the crystal but to the shity camera with noise reduction set at high probably...if you look at the hands, these are also distorted ....

oysterfisher · 2 February 2023, 05:13 AM

Here we go again...

swaini3 · 2 February 2023, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by oysterfisher

Here we go again...

Oh dear.... Don't know much about Mil subs but just comparing the dial to other ones online, couldn't find one like it.

baumare · 2 February 2023, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by oysterfisher

Here we go again...

If I'm not mistaking 876 should be the progressive number and 78 the year, so is this the same watch of Antiquorum without the sword hands?

oysterfisher · 2 February 2023, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baumare

If I'm not mistaking 876 should be the progressive number and 78 the year, so is this the same watch of Antiquorum without the sword hands?

I wouldn´t say, it is the "same" watch... More likely it is a "looking like" - the same- watch.

Check the font of the engraving...

GGGMT · 2 February 2023, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by baumare

Watchmaker with shaking hands?

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Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 06:41 AM

No one noticed that there is “5517” on the underside of a lug?

Is it a 5517, or a 5513/5517….

….or a doctored, civilian 5513 ?

baumare · 2 February 2023, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

No one noticed that there is “5517” on the underside of a lug?

Is it a 5517, or a 5513/5517….

….or a doctored, civilian 5513 ?

Yes I notice but I thought that was supposed to be there,
Sorry just trying to understand what you see wrong on this detail...

This is from Mazzariol website

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swaini3 · 2 February 2023, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

No one noticed that there is “5517” on the underside of a lug?

Is it a 5517, or a 5513/5517….

….or a doctored, civilian 5513 ?

I noticed it, 5517 between the lugs too. What am I missing here?

Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 08:44 AM

Stefano would usually prefer that images on his site are not reproduced. For what it is worth, I am a subscriber and think it largely very good.

Now, what is the watch he shows…..a 5517 or a 5513/5517?

What does a 5513/5517 have between the lugs?

FrenchBigCrown · 2 February 2023, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by haywood_milton

what does a 5513/5517 have between the lugs?

5513.

baumare · 2 February 2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Stefano would usually prefer that images on his site are not reproduced. For what it is worth, I am a subscriber and think it largely very good.

Now, what is the watch he shows…..a 5517 or a 5513/5517?

What does a 5513/5517 have between the lugs?

I haven’t thought about that, I’ll apologize to Stefano tomorrow, I used his website because I know he can be trusted, hopefully my mistake will attract more people to subscribe to his great website.

Going back to the topic, on his website there are photos of 5517 between the lugs.
So I’m still missing something

Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 10:07 AM

I suspect you are looking at photographs of multiple watches.

5517 = 5517 between the lugs alone.

5513/5517 = 5513 between the lugs, 5517 under one lug.

FrenchBigCrown · 2 February 2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by baumare

Going back to the topic, on his website there are photos of 5517 between the lugs.
So I’m still missing something

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I suspect you are looking at photographs of multiple watches.

5517 = 5517 between the lugs alone.

5513/5517 = 5513 between the lugs, 5517 under one lug.

This. ^

(And... of course, the earliest Milsubs just had/have 5513 between the lugs).

Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 10:20 AM

Well.....not the earliest mil subs.....but yes of course, the earliest of the classic 1970s military Submariners with sword hands, circled (T) dials and 60' bezel inserts had only 5513 between the lugs.

These were drawn from four case number ranges.

swaini3 · 2 February 2023, 10:21 AM

nice info

Imagine the buyer reading this thread....

FrenchBigCrown · 2 February 2023, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

These were drawn from four case number ranges.

Mine starts: 392XXXX - it's an early one.

And yes, I meant the earliest of the 'classic' Milsubs.

Haywood_Milton · 2 February 2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FrenchBigCrown

Mine starts: 392XXXX - it's an early one.

A late one in the context of 5513s.

FrenchBigCrown · 2 February 2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

A late one in the context of 5513s.

Indeed.

I meant 'early' in the context of 'classic' Milsubs - 5513 - 5513/5517 - 5517.

TimeLord2 · 2 February 2023, 10:33 AM

Thank you for the lesson @Haywood_Milton! Way beyond my means, and I suck at this game but very interesting!

Rebel · 2 February 2023, 10:34 AM

Ouch.

baumare · 2 February 2023, 01:24 PM

Yes thank you @Haywood_Milton, such a pleasure interacting with Expert like you!

indianmachine · 2 February 2023, 02:47 PM

So in summary, 5517 between the lugs and 5517 on the underside of the lug is not a valid combination?

colpol · 2 February 2023, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2

Thank you for the lesson @Haywood_Milton! Way beyond my means, and I suck at this game but very interesting!

Same here.

2 February 2023, 12:43 AM	#1
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	"Rolex military Submariner 5517" : anyone see any problems ? I do. https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/milsu...US&SETCURR=USD Was advertised for $33,410 and apparently is now sold..... __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 01:10 AM	#2
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,989	I didn't get past the dial, printing looks horrible. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

2 February 2023, 03:01 AM	#5
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	Acrylic glass can distort terribly if worn and scratched, so don't be misled by that. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 06:41 AM	#13
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	No one noticed that there is “5517” on the underside of a lug? Is it a 5517, or a 5513/5517…. ….or a doctored, civilian 5513 ? __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 08:44 AM	#16
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	Stefano would usually prefer that images on his site are not reproduced. For what it is worth, I am a subscriber and think it largely very good. Now, what is the watch he shows…..a 5517 or a 5513/5517? What does a 5513/5517 have between the lugs? __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 02:50 AM	#3
baumare "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: mario Location: NY-USA Watch: Rolex 1675/8 Posts: 525	Watchmaker with shaking hands? Screen Shot 2023-02-01 at 11.46.34 AM.jpg

2 February 2023, 02:57 AM	#4
ExplorerI "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: USA Watch: Explorer I Posts: 739	It’s a minefield out there

2 February 2023, 04:13 AM	#6
TimeLord2 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Valencia, CA Watch: GMT Master 1675/3 Posts: 2,067	Sword hands?

2 February 2023, 05:13 AM	#8
oysterfisher "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Latium Posts: 235	Here we go again...

2 February 2023, 10:07 AM	#19
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	I suspect you are looking at photographs of multiple watches. 5517 = 5517 between the lugs alone. 5513/5517 = 5513 between the lugs, 5517 under one lug. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 10:20 AM	#21
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,323	Well.....not the *earliest* mil subs.....but yes of course, the earliest of the *classic* 1970s military Submariners with sword hands, circled (T) dials and 60' bezel inserts had only 5513 between the lugs. These were drawn from four case number ranges. __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

2 February 2023, 10:21 AM	#22
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,439	nice info Imagine the buyer reading this thread....

2 February 2023, 10:33 AM	#26
TimeLord2 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Valencia, CA Watch: GMT Master 1675/3 Posts: 2,067	Thank you for the lesson @Haywood_Milton! Way beyond my means, and I suck at this game but very interesting!

2 February 2023, 10:34 AM	#27
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,073	Ouch. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

2 February 2023, 01:24 PM	#28
baumare "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: mario Location: NY-USA Watch: Rolex 1675/8 Posts: 525	Yes thank you @Haywood_Milton, such a pleasure interacting with Expert like you!

2 February 2023, 02:47 PM	#29
indianmachine "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 792	So in summary, 5517 between the lugs and 5517 on the underside of the lug is not a valid combination?

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