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LuminousMaximus · 25 January 2013, 01:59 AM

So Then I read this: http://www.luxurytyme.com/movement/index.html So Then I read this:

I was told by the Competition's AD, that the coaxial movement was soo much better, and that it had less friction and needed less maintenance, just as the article above stated as being not all that. I was also told that it had a better warranty...

I'm now leaning towards purchasing a Time Tested and True Rolex, with the solid Links, Parachrome Mainspring, Crown Protectors, Cerachrome Bezel, TT,... you know..."The Works!" lol

JasoninDenver · 25 January 2013, 02:04 AM

Omega's co-axial is good and you should not have any problems with it but I do not believe it has lived up to the promise of the 10 year service intervals that were initially hyped.

Rolex is tried and true, albeit simple and less flashy.

All in all, it is just marketing. Buy the watch that you like to see on your wrist. You will never think about the escapement after your purchase.

kilyung · 25 January 2013, 02:05 AM

Nothing wrong with any modern movement as long as it's proper maintained. It's like asking which car is better, BMW/MB/Audi.

Armyguy03 · 25 January 2013, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Nothing wrong with any modern movement as long as it's proper maintained. It's like asking which car is better, BMW/MB/Audi.

clearly BMW

masterserg · 25 January 2013, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Armyguy03

clearly BMW

Clearly!

LuminousMaximus · 25 January 2013, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Armyguy03

clearly BMW

You mean more specifically, The F-12 M6 Convertible...

deanpeterson · 25 January 2013, 02:21 AM

Yep - Beamer!

Greg G · 25 January 2013, 02:21 AM

Mercedes!

kilyung · 25 January 2013, 02:22 AM

I'm a 20+ yr BMWCCA member but I prefer Audi ATM.

steubi1 · 25 January 2013, 08:29 AM

There are about 150 different escapement principles known, most of them patented, but very rarely used, if ever.

And the specific reason why 99% of mechanical movements have the classic Swiss ancre escapement is its simplicity.

All the rest is pure marketing.

Tom

mrbill2mrbill2 · 25 January 2013, 09:19 AM

Both are good. But, don't fall for the longer maintenance interval with the coaxial escapement BS. While the coaxial escapement may have a longer maintenance interval, the rest of the "drive train" is the same with the identical lubrication requirements.

Welshwatchman · 25 January 2013, 09:34 AM

So, which is better. Rolex or Omega?

Excuse me, I'm bored and need to ban someone soon.

Dr. Robert · 25 January 2013, 09:34 AM

I may be a bit prejudiced, but I go Rolex.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 25 January 2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

So, which is better. Rolex or Omega?

Excuse me, I'm bored and need to ban someone soon.

Both, IMO, are excelent watches. It depends on what makes you smile.

Please don't ban me.

jay1988 · 25 January 2013, 10:34 AM

Which movement is better ? That's for someone more knowledgeable to answer.

What I will say is Omega offer a 4 year warranty and recommend servicing every 8 years which is better than what Rolex suggest. One might argue that this is just Omega trying to compete with Rolex and either watch probably wouldn't use a 5 year warranty if it was given.

mcorliss · 25 January 2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg G

Mercedes!

More specifically, AMG

DynamiteBids · 25 January 2013, 04:06 PM

I think everyone should read that article (cut and paste into browser), it explains a few complaints I've had with the 2500C movement, specifically the 25,200BPH. I personally could always see the ticking more pronounced on the Omega. Well apparently the lower BPH is a significant reduction of wear and tear, at the expense of accuracy and smooth second hands. But an oil-less co-axial sounds more like a throw-away component if you ask me. Less friction but MORE moving parts and more contact points. Time will tell if these movements hold up. It just seems to me that the Caliber 3135 is superior in that it's a perfected movement that has stood the test of time.

Psmith · 25 January 2013, 05:58 PM

Another vote for BMW... errrr, I mean Rolex....

padi56 · 25 January 2013, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

Omega's co-axial is good and you should not have any problems with it but I do not believe it has lived up to the promise of the 10 year service intervals that were initially hyped.

Rolex is tried and true, albeit simple and less flashy.

All in all, it is just marketing. Buy the watch that you like to see on your wrist. You will never think about the escapement after your purchase.

The main problem was not the actual escapement the problem was that the brands that first installed the escapement did not follow the advice about the oiling and VPH of the Co-axial escapement by the inventor.

bayerische · 25 January 2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Armyguy03

clearly BMW

Crystal clear!

Cabaiguan · 25 January 2013, 10:57 PM

If we're talking the 8500, it is IMO a superior movement to the Rolex 3135.

gpfps · 25 January 2013, 11:10 PM

Talking about cars and movements. I see my Honda Accord with the v6 like the true and tried rolex movement. It will give those BMW and such a run for the money.

The GMT Master · 25 January 2013, 11:44 PM

To use a car analogy, the Rolex 3135 is a Hemi V8. Unchanged for years, well loved, but its not exactly efficient. The cal. 8500 is roughly equivalent to BMW's latest turbocharged V8. Does the same thing, makes the same noises, it'll just take you further on the same amount of fuel. As for the Honda V6, I would equate that to a Grand Seiko Hi Beat. Everyone who understands knows that it is easily the equivalent, it just has a stigma (entirely unjustified, I might add) attached to it that it's Japanese.

I think that makes sense

mjclark32 · 25 January 2013, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

To use a car analogy, the Rolex 3135 is a Hemi V8. Unchanged for years, well loved, but its not exactly efficient. The cal. 8500 is roughly equivalent to BMW's latest turbocharged V8. Does the same thing, makes the same noises, it'll just take you further on the same amount of fuel. As for the Honda V6, I would equate that to a Grand Seiko Hi Beat. Everyone who understands knows that it is easily the equivalent, it just has a stigma (entirely unjustified, I might add) attached to it that it's Japanese.

I think that makes sense

Chris, didn't know you knew about watches AND cars! Nice comparison

LuminousMaximus · 26 January 2013, 12:37 AM

Pic is worth 1000 words:

The GMT Master · 26 January 2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mjclark32

Chris, didn't know you knew about watches AND cars! Nice comparison

Thankyou! I do enjoy my cars, big F1 and drag racing fan

25 January 2013, 01:59 AM	#1
LuminousMaximus "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Watch: me hit Huge Lotto Posts: 6,502	Submariner and Omega--> Which Escapemant Bttr? Omega Daniel's Co-axial or 3315 So Then I read this: http://www.luxurytyme.com/movement/index.html So Then I read this: I was told by the Competition's AD, that the coaxial movement was soo much better, and that it had less friction and needed less maintenance, just as the article above stated as being not all that. I was also told that it had a better warranty... I'm now leaning towards purchasing a Time Tested and True Rolex, with the solid Links, Parachrome Mainspring, Crown Protectors, Cerachrome Bezel, TT,... you know..."The Works!" lol

25 January 2013, 02:04 AM	#2
JasoninDenver 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Denver Posts: 4,114	Omega's co-axial is good and you should not have any problems with it but I do not believe it has lived up to the promise of the 10 year service intervals that were initially hyped. Rolex is tried and true, albeit simple and less flashy. All in all, it is just marketing. Buy the watch that you like to see on your wrist. You will never think about the escapement after your purchase. __________________ Jason 116610 LN DateJust Pelagos FXD

25 January 2013, 02:21 AM	#8
Greg G "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Houston Watch: Sub-C Posts: 181	Mercedes! __________________ "Whatever watch it is, it's that man's watch and it's very poor form to criticize another man's watch. " GradyPhilpott

25 January 2013, 09:19 AM	#11
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	Both are good. But, don't fall for the longer maintenance interval with the coaxial escapement BS. While the coaxial escapement may have a longer maintenance interval, the rest of the "drive train" is the same with the identical lubrication requirements. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

25 January 2013, 09:34 AM	#13
Dr. Robert 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 61,262	I may be a bit prejudiced, but I go Rolex. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

25 January 2013, 02:05 AM	#3
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,870	Nothing wrong with any modern movement as long as it's proper maintained. It's like asking which car is better, BMW/MB/Audi.

25 January 2013, 02:21 AM	#7
deanpeterson "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Dean Location: Canada Watch: Rolex 16233 Posts: 181	Yep - Beamer!

25 January 2013, 02:22 AM	#9
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,870	I'm a 20+ yr BMWCCA member but I prefer Audi ATM.

25 January 2013, 08:29 AM	#10
steubi1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Tom Location: Switzerland Watch: too many Posts: 1,149	There are about 150 different escapement principles known, most of them patented, but very rarely used, if ever. And the specific reason why 99% of mechanical movements have the classic Swiss ancre escapement is its simplicity. All the rest is pure marketing. Tom

25 January 2013, 09:34 AM	#12
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	So, which is better. Rolex or Omega? Excuse me, I'm bored and need to ban someone soon.

25 January 2013, 10:34 AM	#15
jay1988 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,515	Which movement is better ? That's for someone more knowledgeable to answer. What I will say is Omega offer a 4 year warranty and recommend servicing every 8 years which is better than what Rolex suggest. One might argue that this is just Omega trying to compete with Rolex and either watch probably wouldn't use a 5 year warranty if it was given.

25 January 2013, 04:06 PM	#17
DynamiteBids Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: The Man Location: USA Watch: 116613LN Posts: 162	I think everyone should read that article (cut and paste into browser), it explains a few complaints I've had with the 2500C movement, specifically the 25,200BPH. I personally could always see the ticking more pronounced on the Omega. Well apparently the lower BPH is a significant reduction of wear and tear, at the expense of accuracy and smooth second hands. But an oil-less co-axial sounds more like a throw-away component if you ask me. Less friction but MORE moving parts and more contact points. Time will tell if these movements hold up. It just seems to me that the Caliber 3135 is superior in that it's a perfected movement that has stood the test of time.

25 January 2013, 05:58 PM	#18
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Another vote for BMW... errrr, I mean Rolex.... __________________

25 January 2013, 10:57 PM	#21
Cabaiguan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Raf Location: NJ Watch: GMTII Posts: 2,150	If we're talking the 8500, it is IMO a superior movement to the Rolex 3135. __________________ "A ship of war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell

25 January 2013, 11:10 PM	#22
gpfps Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: George Location: Detroit Michigan Watch: 18078 Posts: 1,142	Talking about cars and movements. I see my Honda Accord with the v6 like the true and tried rolex movement. It will give those BMW and such a run for the money.

25 January 2013, 11:44 PM	#23
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,148	To use a car analogy, the Rolex 3135 is a Hemi V8. Unchanged for years, well loved, but its not exactly efficient. The cal. 8500 is roughly equivalent to BMW's latest turbocharged V8. Does the same thing, makes the same noises, it'll just take you further on the same amount of fuel. As for the Honda V6, I would equate that to a Grand Seiko Hi Beat. Everyone who understands knows that it is easily the equivalent, it just has a stigma (entirely unjustified, I might add) attached to it that it's Japanese. I think that makes sense

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