Bought a 5513 from a TRF member, deal is a nightmare... How to behave? Your thoughts?

[drtooth73]

Originally Posted by watchcrank

A: file the claim with pp. dispute the charge with the card company as soon as possible just to be sure. best of luck my friend. m

I would have done this the first time I noticed a problem in communication

[Tony-GB]

If it is a well established TRF member & he/she is a pledge member, then try to make sure it is the actual member you've paid & not a scammer who has cloned his/her identity. But firstly get the ball rolling with PayPal & your credit card company.

I hope it all works out for you.

[ippon20]

Man, I hate to hear stuff like this Axel. I hope it gets resolved for you, everyone here is hoping for the best. And as Gedanken put it, there are folks waiting with pitchforks and torches! All I can say is be deliberate with your actions and act swiftly!

[fusebuddy]

Originally Posted by Java

Hi

Re paypal dispute. I use paypal an enormouse amount.

This is important.
1 You need to take the view that the seller is already in default. As you have not received your watch in reasonable time.
2 If something arrives for you, especially if it is a watch sized box. DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.
If it is an empty box, or the wrong watch, this will be seriously adverse to your paypal claim.
3 Ultimately. If you didn't sign for receipt of the goods, sent by that seller. You will get your money back.
4 If you sign for the wrong goods , or an empty box, it becomes very complicated.
5 It is important to forget the idea of receiving this watch.

Tim

Good advice by Tim here. If a package suddenly shows up, it is now way too late at this point. It is probably better to not sign for anything from this seller. It could create a much more difficult situation as far as resolving this, especially if the contents are not satisfactory.

Start the process with paypal and credit card immediately.

Good luck Axel

[kcmo]

Axel, I agree with the others....please call PayPal and your CC company immediately! Last year I was scammed and it is a HORRIBLE feeling. After going through it I'm all for making others aware of WHO IT IS as well. We don't need people like that here on TRF!

[astcell]

I want to know who it is, because it can be anyone. This basically means I cannot buy or sell here since the person I deal with may be the bad guy.

[abr68]

Hi friends,

I can understand that you are asking.
As previously said and 100% correct stated by our mod. "Gedanken" I don´t want to name anybody.
If the issue is resolved I´m sure you will see the guy in the "bad boys" section
As a tip to all of you he´s not in the "Who´s who" section so you can go there and buy further on from all the guys with refs. there

Many thanks to all of you for your kindest words and advise

I will keep you posted.

Best
Axel

[rscott4079]

Before we bring out the pitchforks and torches, let's ascertain if something has indeed gone wrong.

I agree. Twenty days to arrange shipping for a watch certainly seems a little exhorbitant though.

I think it's appropriate that members are held to an exceptionally high standard when buying and selling through the forum. The safeguards that exist in a face-to-face sale, or even on Ebay don't exist here. We have to rely on a high level of trust between members. When a member fails to follow through, he needs to be called out. IMO.

Rich

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by abr68

Hi friends,

I can understand that you are asking.
As previously said and 100% correct stated by our mod. "Gedanken" I don´t want to name anybody.
If the issue is resolved I´m sure you will see the guy in the "bad boys" section
As a tip to all of you he´s not in the "Who´s who" section so you can go there and buy further on from all the guys with refs. there

Many thanks to all of you for your kindest words and advise

I will keep you posted.

Best
Axel

Pardon me for sounding harsh, Axel, but you're going to have to make up your mind before posting in future.

If you do have a problem with buying from a member here, AND you have the evidence to back it up, I've got absolutely no problem in your naming the fellow. You would be helping to protect the interests of the members here.

However, if you don't have the evidence, or for some reason you cannot present it, then it is better to hold off talking about it until you can present all of the facts.

Right now we've got the worst of both worlds. People have been told that there's a cheat on the forum, but they haven't been told who it is, and that leaves a situation that's ripe for unfounded speculation, quite possibly for no purpose.

What I'm saying here is that you need to make a choice: either lay all the cards on the table, or don't say anything at all. I don't want to see any more of this "I've been cheated but I'm not naming names" stuff anymore.

[Gaijin]

Gedanken, that was 100% spot on. Nicely said.

[allanofcalifornia]

Did Axel get banned for starting this thread?


Allan

[diablojota]

Holy cow! Axel has been banned! Wow.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

Did Axel get banned for starting this thread?


Allan

Nope.

Axel was banned for repeatedly refusing to comply with an admin request to account for his own stated ownership of the watches in his photos.

[Mosco]

James,

of course you don't have to explain anything, but I am confused - I think this all started with the 'Sunday - GMT' thread, but what exactly did he do or not do? Was it simply the suspicion that he posted someone else's watch as his own?

In addition, what about the OP here - how can we know who the culprit was - or, in fact, if there was a culprit.

[kyle L]

Ouch...in both cases.

[Imtiaz]

Axel, this is very sad to hear. I agree with the others, you should contact the moderator and get permission to expose this cad.

Re Paypal, my own experience has been poor. Every time the correspond it's a different person and they have no idea of past correspondence.

It took over 5 months to get a partial refund.

But in the end I did get a part of my money back. Not all, sadly. The guy had closed his account and vanished.

[diablojota]

Originally Posted by Imtiaz

Axel, this is very sad to hear. I agree with the others, you should contact the moderator and get permission to expose this cad.

Re Paypal, my own experience has been poor. Every time the correspond it's a different person and they have no idea of past correspondence.

It took over 5 months to get a partial refund.

But in the end I did get a part of my money back. Not all, sadly. The guy had closed his account and vanished.

Axel is banned buddy. Sorry, he won't be getting your advice.

[Gedanken]

Greg, we've previously had to deal with photo issues, and every time it's been an annoying, messy process for something that really doesn't justify the trouble it causes. I won't go into what reports we had received to draw our attention to this issue, but Axel was repeatedly asked to demonstrate that the photos he used were his, and repeatedly he dodged the responsibility of satisfying the admin/mods, and it got to the point where enough was enough.

As for the subject of this thread, as far as I'm concerned, there wasn't enough for anybody to be identified as a culprit. The precautions to keep people covered have already been discussed in this thread, and since it was not conclusively proven that the seller had scammed Axel, identification of the member would not provide any benefit.

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Greg, we've previously had to deal with photo issues, and every time it's been an annoying, messy process for something that really doesn't justify the trouble it causes. I won't go into what reports we had received to draw our attention to this issue, but Axel was repeatedly asked to demonstrate that the photos he used were his, and repeatedly he dodged the responsibility of satisfying the admin/mods, and it got to the point where enough was enough.

As for the subject of this thread, as far as I'm concerned, there wasn't enough for anybody to be identified as a culprit. The precautions to keep people covered have already been discussed in this thread, and since it was not conclusively proven that the seller had scammed Axel, identification of the member would not provide any benefit.

Got it - thanks for taking the time to explain!

Greg

[Java]

I am right in assuming that abr68 is now "Banned"
I think that is a bit harsh and reactionary.
Looked to me like his story was completely true, and he was just honestly sharing his experience, but didn't want to actually condemn anyone until he was completely sure of the outcome.
Is this a forum for people who like watches, or a vehicle for people to sell them.
Forgive me if this sounds forthright. I am new here. But if this guy has been banned for this, then I question if I really should be here

Tim

[diablojota]

Read the post from the mods. There were additional reasons that he was banned. My best guess is that he used other peoples pics of watches and passed them off as his own and was asked to verify they were his and he failed to do so.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Java

I am right in assuming that abr68 is now "Banned"
I think that is a bit harsh and reactionary.
Looked to me like his story was completely true, and he was just honestly sharing his experience, but didn't want to actually condemn anyone until he was completely sure of the outcome.
Is this a forum for people who like watches, or a vehicle for people to sell them.
Forgive me if this sounds forthright. I am new here. But if this guy has been banned for this, then I question if I really should be here

Tim

Hello? Hello? Anyone home?!

Why don't you get off your little soap box long enough to read the questions that allanofcalifornia and Mosco posted about why Axel was banned, and my responses about the reason and how it's got bugger-all to do with this thread?

Okay, okay, I know it's hard to spot - that discussion only took up this whole page so far.

You're not forthright - you've just got a tendency to hop up on your high horse before getting an understanding of the situation even when it's put right in front of you.

If you can't be bothered to read before dramatically pontificating about a problem that never occurred, then I question if you really should be here.

People, I'm not asking for erudite discourse here, but for Pete's sake, can you at least ensure that brains are not in neutral while keyboards are in overdrive?

[diablojota]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Hello? Hello? Anyone home?!

Why don't you get off your little soap box long enough to read the question that Mosco posted about why Axel was banned, and my response about the reason and how it's got bugger-all to do with this thread?

You're not forthright - you've just got a tendency to hop up on your high horse before getting an understanding of the situation even when it's put right in front of you.

If you can't be bothered to read before dramatically pontificating about a problem that never occurred, then I question if you really should be here.

People, I'm not asking for erudite discourse here, but for Pete's sake, can you at least ensure that brains are not in neutral while keyboards are in overdrive?

This is exactly the reason for my RTFT post. Read the friggin' thread before jumping to conclusions.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by diablojota

Read the post from the mods. There were additional reasons that he was banned. My best guess is that he used other peoples pics of watches and passed them off as his own and was asked to verify they were his and he failed to do so.

Sheesh, Frank, what were you saying in your other thread about RTFT?

[diablojota]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Sheesh, Frank, what were you saying in your other thread about RTFT?

[Gedanken]

Whoops, stop for a drink before posting and see what happens.

Maye we should make this a Miss Manners Lesson of the Day kind of thing: before you take a stand, do ensure that your fly isn't down.

[Java]

Well actually I still think I am right. See what that does for your ego.

[Gedanken]

I think it's your ego that needs some readjustment, junior. What have you said that I'm actually in disagreement with, besides the cause of Axel's banning?

You've said nothing original here, so don't think that your post had any impact besides highlighting your Basil Fawlty complex.

I would recommend that you cut your losses and go have a think about learning to read before you post. Any further debate about this will be taken as antagonism, something which will not do your standing here any favours.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Java

Is this a forum for people who like watches, or a vehicle for people to sell them.
Forgive me if this sounds forthright. I am new here. But if this guy has been banned for this, then I question if I really should be here

Tim

Your assertion might have some substance if the forum derived any financial or other benefit from the sale of watches, but it doesn't. Any and all members of the forum get to utilise the benefit of the sales forum (whether buying or selling) for free. The forum has no interest whatsoever in promoting or protecting sales activity.

Secondly as stated previously the guy was not banned for this thread or anything related to this thread. He was banned for other reasons which have already been briefly stated and which really don't affect any forum members if they act within the spirit of the forum.

The forum is not and will not accept any responsibility for any sales activities (apart from not having the ability and resources to do so) it is crystal clear and always has been that people are responsible for their own private transactions.

[Java]

Any suggestion that this forum is here for the benefit of watch sellers, was clearly rhetorical.
I was concerned to see the member banned. If indeed he was banned for other reasons, and I don't doubt that that is true then I think it is reasonable that members should know clearly what those reasons are.
It is clear that his thread prompted someone to look more clearly, this is indicitive of a desire, somewhere to look for reasons to discredit someone. This is all a bit worrying. I was having fun on this forum.