Patek 5172G vs. Lange 1815 Chronograph

[anselm]

Originally Posted by pdnb

Can you show us the draft... very curious. I picked up the of 403 Pt Dato about a month ago and love it


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Not sure I can send it as they have not blessed it yet. Basically it is a drawing of the balance cock with whatever you choose that will fit on there.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by anselm

I am glad you like the white dial. I had the same view as you, the black dial looks so good in pictures but in real life the boutique edition seems better so I went with that one as well. I just got my draft of the balance cock customization back. Hopefully can finalize this week then wait for 3 months to get the watch built! Until then I can look at pictures.

Whats going on here, You can design your own BC?

[Calatrava r]

Great choice. You wear it well.

[anselm]

Originally Posted by ap1

Whats going on here, You can design your own BC?

Not sure if it is offered at dealers but the boutique offers some engraving options like initials.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by anselm

Not sure if it is offered at dealers but the boutique offers some engraving options like initials.

Better really be a keeper then lol


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[anselm]

Originally Posted by ap1

Better really be a keeper then lol


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Keeper for me but assume it shouldn't be too hard to replace the bc with a new one if needed.

[Sumitagg]

I was choosing between the 2 and eventually settled on the 5172g after seeing it in person. It doesn’t wear as large due to the shorter lugs. To my eyes, the 5172g was just perfect. It’s the right size and thickness. I plan to buy a brown and blue alligator strap to dress it up. It’s the strap that makes it look more casual. Just look at the 5320 which looks formal with an alligator strap.

[amgdriver63]

Both amazing watches. Tough choice but the PP wins by a nose in my view. Being super critical the Lange could be just a hair larger

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Sumitagg

I was choosing between the 2 and eventually settled on the 5172g after seeing it in person. It doesn’t wear as large due to the shorter lugs. To my eyes, the 5172g was just perfect. It’s the right size and thickness. I plan to buy a brown and blue alligator strap to dress it up. It’s the strap that makes it look more casual. Just look at the 5320 which looks formal with an alligator strap.

How does the 5172 wear compare to 5320?

I love my 5320 and would like to get the matching 5172 as a chronograph.

[bob101]

I would go for the 5172g but would be close as a nice used black dial 1815 would be very attractive at market price.

I always recommend people to try on Lange watches as find they don’t always wear so nicely on the wrist as Patek (wear a bit flat similar to Breguet for me) and friends have also sold theirs for that reason.

[CountryBoy]

Personally i love the looks of Lange the most .... but, i have had a few Langes, despite loving each lost the price of a top line handmade saddle on each when traded.

[vandyologist]

I’ve owned both and prefer this one. Of course, I’m a Patek partisan but it’s truly a great watch. It wears more casual than the Lange and the stepped lugs and lumed syringe hands really differentiate it.

[HMHM]

I would have said 5172 a few weeks ago but I managed to try the 1815 black dial at the Lange boutique recently and was quite impressed! Gives off a 5370P vibe with the black dial and the pushers were crisp. The only thing I dislike about the Lange is that the two sub dials are on the lower half of the dial. Would prefer it to be similar to the 5172G in terms of its arrangement. The boutique edition sounds good but doesn’t look that great in person.

[Kliminator]

Aesthetics aside, isn't there also a $15-20k delta in price between these two models? At least pre owned / grey market pricing

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Aesthetics aside, isn't there also a 15-20k delta in price between these two models? At least pre owned / grey market pricing

Even brand new the difference is £10k. The Patek certainly maintains its value better but if one buys the 1815 chronograph it’s pretty much guarantees getting the Lange Odysseus which retails at 2x MSRP currently.

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Even brand new the difference is £10k. The Patek certainly maintains its value better but if one buys the 1815 chronograph it’s pretty much guarantees getting the Lange Odysseus which retails at 2x MSRP currently.

Assuming that's a piece the OP actually wants though

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Assuming that's a piece the OP actually wants though

Of course! Would never encourage someone to spend 50-60k on a watch they don’t want.

[Tinka2020]

My first Patek and I went with the 5172, once I tried it on I had to have it. A few different straps on order like others to dress it up but I really do like it on the calfskin anyway.




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[Billfav]

Originally Posted by bob101

I would go for the 5172g but would be close as a nice used black dial 1815 would be very attractive at market price.

I always recommend people to try on Lange watches as find they don’t always wear so nicely on the wrist as Patek (wear a bit flat similar to Breguet for me) and friends have also sold theirs for that reason.

I echo this, as one must really try a Lange on before purchase. Generally speaking they wear high and large. I have lusted after a Richard Lange until I tried one on. For such an elegant watch it wore like a pie plate on my wrist. Same with my Lange 1, which is not as bad due to it's 38mm size. The case shapes are just not a Patek.

[bob101]

Originally Posted by Billfav

I echo this, as one must really try a Lange on before purchase. Generally speaking they wear high and large. I have lusted after a Richard Lange until I tried one on. For such an elegant watch it wore like a pie plate on my wrist. Same with my Lange 1, which is not as bad due to it's 38mm size. The case shapes are just not a Patek.

Genau! As the Germans say. Please don’t pay top dollar then it’s buyers remorse time. Always try on first. I have a 5320G which has similar stepped lugs as the 5172G of course and it wears amazingly well. Sometimes forget it’s on the wrist.
Number one rule, buy what you love and what feels great on the wrist..

[Partekular]

Originally Posted by llngoc

How does the 5172 wear compare to 5320?

I love my 5320 and would like to get the matching 5172 as a chronograph.

I fell for the 5320 and then paired it off with the 5172. I did take a good look at the Lange offerings but was not sold on them. Beautifully engineered but lacking in charm.

I have yet to find another watch that tempts me. I find a lot of PPs too flashy but the two I have are discrete enough to avoid attention which is exactly what I am looking for in a watch. I used to have a Daytona eyeball and theft magnet - no thanks!

I have to admit confirmation bias and ignorance, I have never considered them in relation to a horse saddle so I may be missing a trick or two.

[sgwatchguy]

Is the 5172 case the same as 5320 (with pushers of course) ?

[WatchtraderNY]

5172 for the win!


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[Partekular]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Is the 5172 case the same as 5320 (with pushers of course) ?

Yes but marginally larger - not so one would notice.

40/11.13 - 41/11.45.

It’s the lugs which appealed to me - and the syringe hands - and the lume - and the dials - the 5320 has more 3D numerals than the 5172 and dots at the 5 minute markers so the 5320 face is more 3D.

The. 5172 is almost black not blue as it sometimes appears to be. It is classic PP in design heritage. It keeps amazingly good time and can be set to the second unlike the 5320. It has a depth to the mechanism which is great to admire. It is a watch one can wear with jeans or a suit. I wouldn’t describe it as a dress watch but one can tart it up with a croc strap. I tried that and it looked a bit too flash. The strap it comes with is understated smart casual. It talks the watch down.

The 5320 Perp Cal is so discrete it could be a Timex and unless one is aware of its antecedents it looks like an old watch which makes it a very private joy to wear. I like the brown croc strap which is a bit military and looks all the world as if it was bought from an antique shop so does not attract attention.

I wear them turn and turn around and don’t find they get any eye ball attention. Perfection.

ALS - sadly not in the running IMO.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Partekular

I fell for the 5320 and then paired it off with the 5172. I did take a good look at the Lange offerings but was not sold on them. Beautifully engineered but lacking in charm.

I have yet to find another watch that tempts me. I find a lot of PPs too flashy but the two I have are discrete enough to avoid attention which is exactly what I am looking for in a watch. I used to have a Daytona eyeball and theft magnet - no thanks!

I have to admit confirmation bias and ignorance, I have never considered them in relation to a horse saddle so I may be missing a trick or two.

The Lange I want is actually a Datograph. But I figure that the Datograph will always be there. But this blue dial 5172G which matches the 5320’s syringe hands and stepped lugs may not be there in a couple of years. So I will likely pull the trigger on this and worry about the Datograph later.

Also, do you notice that the grey price on the 5172 seems to have firmed up quite a bit. The C24 price is close to SRP now instead of 25% off from a couple of months back. Wonder why…

[bonsai-man]

Congrats. Great choice, enjoy it.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Partekular

Yes but marginally larger - not so one would notice.

40/11.13 - 41/11.45.

It’s the lugs which appealed to me - and the syringe hands - and the lume - and the dials - the 5320 has more 3D numerals than the 5172 and dots at the 5 minute markers so the 5320 face is more 3D.

The. 5172 is almost black not blue as it sometimes appears to be. It is classic PP in design heritage. It keeps amazingly good time and can be set to the second unlike the 5320. It has a depth to the mechanism which is great to admire. It is a watch one can wear with jeans or a suit. I wouldn’t describe it as a dress watch but one can tart it up with a croc strap. I tried that and it looked a bit too flash. The strap it comes with is understated smart casual. It talks the watch down.

The 5320 Perp Cal is so discrete it could be a Timex and unless one is aware of its antecedents it looks like an old watch which makes it a very private joy to wear. I like the brown croc strap which is a bit military and looks all the world as if it was bought from an antique shop so does not attract attention.

I wear them turn and turn around and don’t find they get any eye ball attention. Perfection.

ALS - sadly not in the running IMO.

You are becoming my enabler