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JR16 · 28 April 2018, 04:25 AM

Happy Friday .... took the day off and went into Manhattan to go on a boutique crawl. When I was at Tiffany’s I saw the last 5205g Tiffany dial in NYC .. have been interested in 5205g and sad it was retired this year. Have been thinking about getting one but not sure about paying full retail plus tax and was even considering pre-owned ... so my question is, will the 5205g (or any Patek for that matter) depreciate less if it has a Tiffany stamp on the dial?

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JR16 · 28 April 2018, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JR16

Happy Friday .... took the day off and went into Manhattan to go on a boutique crawl. When I was at Tiffany’s I saw the last 5205g Tiffany dial in NYC .. have been interested in 5205g and sad it was retired this year. Have been thinking about getting one but not sure about paying full retail plus tax and was even considering pre-owned ... so my question is, will the 5205g (or any Patek for that matter) depreciate less if it has a Tiffany stamp on the dial?

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Oops - forgot to add pic!

And for disclosure, these are the other two pieces I am considering after finishing my boutique crawl today (btw it was a lot of fun and the sales people at the boutiques and Wempe were all super nice)

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tyler1980 · 28 April 2018, 04:30 AM

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... so my question is, will the 5205g (or any Patek for that matter) depreciate less if it has a Tiffany stamp on the dial?

i probably wouldn't pay more for a T stamp, but especially not for a 5205. I know Tiffany dials generally go for more but i would assume its also dependent on the collectibility of the watch on which the Tiffany dial is on.

thomaspp · 28 April 2018, 04:34 AM

People seem to pay a premium for them on certain references (thinking 5711, 5712, 5980, 5990), but not sure why that is frankly...

Jay (Eire) · 28 April 2018, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

i probably wouldn't pay more for a T stamp, but especially not for a 5205. I know Tiffany dials generally go for more but i would assume its also dependent on the collectibility of the watch on which the Tiffany dial is on.

My thoughts too. Stamp will add nothing to a reference like the 5205 which has zero value retention or collectibility.

(Of course this statement is based on all information currently available and cannot predict future trends, value retention or collectibility for this or any other reference).

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JR16 · 28 April 2018, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

i probably wouldn't pay more for a T stamp, but especially not for a 5205. I know Tiffany dials generally go for more but i would assume its also dependent on the collectibility of the watch on which the Tiffany dial is on.

Thanks Tyler- that’s what I figured but wasn’t sure. Hopefully that voice in my head will stop nagging me now !

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GB-man · 28 April 2018, 05:29 AM

Not on references like the 5205 because you pay more. If you somehow can manage an SS sport reference then sure.

Vaxe · 28 April 2018, 05:36 AM

If it’s a good deal it wouldn’t still be there, discontinued 2 months ago and still in the case, that should say something...

Nikrnic · 28 April 2018, 05:47 AM

I wouldn't want it even at a discount.

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Chiboy · 28 April 2018, 05:59 AM

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I wouldn't want it even at a discount.

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Well, no wonder. It has “zero value retention.” Lol

Bearxj86 · 28 April 2018, 06:11 AM

To the right audience ; yes its worth more. To many others, not worth more. Unfortunately while the value goes up, the ability to sell (i.e liquidity) goes way down.

You may get 10-25% more, but it will take 3-4 times longer/harder to sell imho.

tyler1980 · 28 April 2018, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bearxj86

To the right audience ; yes its worth more. To many others, not worth more. Unfortunately while the value goes up, the ability to sell (i.e liquidity) goes way down.

You may get 10-25% more, but it will take 3-4 times longer/harder to sell imho.

then you will lose more money as Tiffany doesn't discount. Getting 10-25% more for a watch you probably paid 20% more to acquire vs a normal AD means you are most likely more underwater on the tiffany version.

codecow · 28 April 2018, 07:46 AM

I wouldn’t pay more for it, on a modern watch I’d probably avoid it.

Pimpsy · 28 April 2018, 08:51 AM

Many people are attracted to rarity and Tiffany dials are a rarer subset of any reference. As such, they seem to command a small premium.

Personally, I wouldn't want Tiffany and Co. on my dial. Watch dials are usually cluttered enough for my tastes already.

codecow · 28 April 2018, 09:45 AM

Of those three, definitely get the FPJ.

JR16 · 28 April 2018, 09:49 AM

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Of those three, definitely get the FPJ.

Thanks , that’s the direction I’m leaning

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JR16 · 28 April 2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

then you will lose more money as Tiffany doesn't discount. Getting 10-25% more for a watch you probably paid 20% more to acquire vs a normal AD means you are most likely more underwater on the tiffany version.

This is pretty much why I asked the question- no discounting at Tiffany. (And there’s tax which makes it even worse) And I know the 5205 doesn’t get much love and would need a good discount (on new) to make the loss less if I were to ever need or want to sell.

Thx to all for their advice/opinions.

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BillA · 28 April 2018, 10:10 AM

I think it is a cool insignia to have but I think outside of the watch forums it would have little extra value

HorologyK · 28 April 2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JR16

This is pretty much why I asked the question- no discounting at Tiffany. (And there’s tax which makes it even worse) And I know the 5205 doesn’t get much love and would need a good discount (on new) to make the loss less if I were to ever need or want to sell.

Thx to all for their advice/opinions.

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The female manager at the NYC Tiffany Salon says it adds 20-25% to the watch value. Lol.

EdwardC · 28 April 2018, 11:41 AM

I pick the 1815 up down though I will lie to myself that it's value is going to hold.

RHIII · 28 April 2018, 01:00 PM

I’m one of the few that is not a fan of the Tiffany stamp. I certainly wouldn’t pay a premium for it.

I’m an OEM kinda guy. I have little interest in Limited runs of anything...watches, cars, etc.

Just my .02

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Ichiran · 28 April 2018, 01:09 PM

I reckon the T stamp will only add value if the host watch is a popular piece, ie, making a hard to get watch becoming more "rare". Otherwise for a not so popular host, the T stamp has almost no additional value.

PatekSF · 28 April 2018, 01:42 PM

Stop. Wait for the 2018 blue dial version. That will change your mind.

enjoythemusic · 28 April 2018, 08:35 PM

It's all perception and what's 'in vogue' at the time of sale. Fashion, including watches, can be VERY HOT this season, and then dead cold. Could be dead cold forever, or maybe come back into fashion 15 years later. Just like parachute pants, velvet jackets and the size/width of your suit's lapel.

tyler1980 · 28 April 2018, 08:45 PM

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Stop. Wait for the 2018 blue dial version. That will change your mind.

its not that nice. I tried it on yesterday and was very disappointed. I loved it in the pics.

Bt122 · 28 April 2018, 10:19 PM

My wife and I don’t like the Tiffany stamp and she’s a big Tiffany fan.

OP ...Love the FP Journe

ap1 · 28 April 2018, 11:08 PM

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its not that nice. I tried it on yesterday and was very disappointed. I loved it in the pics.

Is it not like the amazing 5170p gradient dial? You may have just saved me a sight unseen purchase

tyler1980 · 28 April 2018, 11:09 PM

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Is it not like the amazing 5170p gradient dial? You may have just saved me a sight unseen purchase

not at all. Thats what i was hoping for but it was not reminiscent of the 5170p at all. To me anyway.

Maybe outside, but definitely not in AD lighting, and ive tried on a 5170p at the AD too and i could see that gradient dial.

jfriedkin · 28 April 2018, 11:21 PM

I think that if you ask a collector of Patek which they would rather have at $X, they would all choose the Tiffany signed dial.

As a collector of Vintage I pay more for a Tiffany signed dial.

Now you need to determine if the 5205G is your watch...

Bearxj86 · 28 April 2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jfriedkin

I think that if you ask a collector of Patek which they would rather have at $X, they would all choose the Tiffany signed dial.

As a collector of Vintage I pay more for a Tiffany signed dial.

Now you need to determine if the 5205G is your watch...

How much more? 25% more?

28 April 2018, 04:25 AM	#1
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,204	Does Tiffany dial help w value retention ? Happy Friday .... took the day off and went into Manhattan to go on a boutique crawl. When I was at Tiffany’s I saw the last 5205g Tiffany dial in NYC .. have been interested in 5205g and sad it was retired this year. Have been thinking about getting one but not sure about paying full retail plus tax and was even considering pre-owned ... so my question is, will the 5205g (or any Patek for that matter) depreciate less if it has a Tiffany stamp on the dial? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

28 April 2018, 04:34 AM	#4
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	People seem to pay a premium for them on certain references (thinking 5711, 5712, 5980, 5990), but not sure why that is frankly... __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

28 April 2018, 05:29 AM	#7
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,032	Not on references like the 5205 because you pay more. If you somehow can manage an SS sport reference then sure. __________________

28 April 2018, 01:00 PM	#21
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	Does Tiffany dial help w value retention ? I’m one of the few that is not a fan of the Tiffany stamp. I certainly wouldn’t pay a premium for it. I’m an OEM kinda guy. I have little interest in Limited runs of anything...watches, cars, etc. Just my .02 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 April 2018, 01:42 PM	#23
PatekSF "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Client n.9 Location: Upper Volta Watch: what I like to do Posts: 438	Stop. Wait for the 2018 blue dial version. That will change your mind. __________________ I don't mind patina as long as it's my patina.

28 April 2018, 05:36 AM	#8
Vaxe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,122	If it’s a good deal it wouldn’t still be there, discontinued 2 months ago and still in the case, that should say something...

28 April 2018, 05:47 AM	#9
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,164	I wouldn't want it even at a discount. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

28 April 2018, 06:11 AM	#11
Bearxj86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 3970 Posts: 3,813	To the right audience ; yes its worth more. To many others, not worth more. Unfortunately while the value goes up, the ability to sell (i.e liquidity) goes way down. You may get 10-25% more, but it will take 3-4 times longer/harder to sell imho.

28 April 2018, 07:46 AM	#13
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,944	I wouldn’t pay more for it, on a modern watch I’d probably avoid it.

28 April 2018, 08:51 AM	#14
Pimpsy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Jersey Watch: PP 5712/1A Posts: 518	Many people are attracted to rarity and Tiffany dials are a rarer subset of any reference. As such, they seem to command a small premium. Personally, I wouldn't want Tiffany and Co. on my dial. Watch dials are usually cluttered enough for my tastes already.

28 April 2018, 09:45 AM	#15
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,944	Of those three, definitely get the FPJ.

28 April 2018, 10:10 AM	#18
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,699	I think it is a cool insignia to have but I think outside of the watch forums it would have little extra value

28 April 2018, 11:41 AM	#20
EdwardC 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Pacific Posts: 3,550	I pick the 1815 up down though I will lie to myself that it's value is going to hold.

28 April 2018, 01:09 PM	#22
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,750	I reckon the T stamp will only add value if the host watch is a popular piece, ie, making a hard to get watch becoming more "rare". Otherwise for a not so popular host, the T stamp has almost no additional value.

28 April 2018, 08:35 PM	#24
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 19,895	It's all perception and what's 'in vogue' at the time of sale. Fashion, including watches, can be VERY HOT this season, and then dead cold. Could be dead cold forever, or maybe come back into fashion 15 years later. Just like parachute pants, velvet jackets and the size/width of your suit's lapel. __________________ __________________ Love timepieces and want to become a Watchmaker? Rolex has a sensational school. www.RolexWatchmakingTrainingCenter.com/ Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

28 April 2018, 10:19 PM	#26
Bt122 Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Bi coastal Watch: Ok...Watching Posts: 937	My wife and I don’t like the Tiffany stamp and she’s a big Tiffany fan. OP ...Love the FP Journe

28 April 2018, 11:21 PM	#29
jfriedkin "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: James Location: chicago Watch: AP, PP Posts: 342	I think that if you ask a collector of Patek which they would rather have at $X, they would all choose the Tiffany signed dial. As a collector of Vintage I pay more for a Tiffany signed dial. Now you need to determine if the 5205G is your watch...

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