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lindstd · 3 July 2012, 06:31 AM

Hello everyone! I started a thread on the non-rolex forum in regard to my pursuit in a sporty/casual new watch. I currently own a IWC Portuguese 5001-07 and I am looking for something a little different. With that being said, I am somewhat leaning towards an Omega Planet Ocean or an Panerai 177 or maybe a 111. I like the idea of the titanium but I don't know if I would be making a huge mistake or not. I don't know if the 111 is a much more sought after piece compared to the titanium version or not. I like the idea of an obsession of straps if I was to pursue a Pam however I don't know if I would be more limited if I was to buy the 177 because of the different coloring of the titanium or is it as versatile as the 111. Thanks for anyones input when they have time to reply. I greatly appreciate it!

jay_kay · 3 July 2012, 07:14 AM

I was in the same position about 8 years ago and went for the 177! At the time the Panerai that introduced me to the brand was the 36. I just missed out on the PAM118 which is pretty much identical to the 177 apart from the tobacco dial like the 36! Had it for years and loved every minute of wearing it. Only got rid of it to trade up and couldn't at the time justify 7 Panerai!

Mastergreenhand · 3 July 2012, 07:48 AM

Either one is just as versatile as the other I think. I nice crock strap on either dresses it up. Ammo dresses both down. I like the darker look of the ti personally.

nauticajoe · 3 July 2012, 08:31 AM

I had a 177 but not for very long. I initially though the Ti was a nice transition from Rolexes, but realized in the end that polished ss is more my thing. Between the two, I'd lean more towards the 111.

Good luck!

rulessapt · 3 July 2012, 08:55 AM

The 177 was my first Panerai, I loved it. Eventually I sold it to a friend.
every time we speak he reminds me and thanks me for selling it to him.

I have Radiomirs now, which are my preference, BUT I miss that 177 and will buy one again.
Very versatile, very attractive. The only minus point to me is the finish, which is quite soft.
As for straps, the 177 goes with everything.

Enjoy making your choice.

cheers
richard

p_mcgee · 3 July 2012, 11:23 AM

I was between the 111 and 177 as well, picked the 177 because I found a great deal I couldn't pass up. I'm happy with the decision. It has a great tool watch look, is a little lighter than the 111 and is a good change of pace from my steel watches. I think it looks better on a darker strap in general, but there are tons to choose from.

Benjamin Choi · 3 July 2012, 11:36 AM

111 - it's classic Panerai.

Conan435 · 3 July 2012, 12:51 PM

I like the Ti version a little better, although a hard choice. I had the same debate of a PAM 24 or PAM 25, ended up going with the 25. I like that you see fewer Ti PAMs around.

Psmith · 3 July 2012, 01:10 PM

Out of these two, the 111 for me

I'm not a big fan of Ti, and the 111 just looks nicer to me

FNFZ4 · 3 July 2012, 02:10 PM

I am biased. Pam 177 for me... :)

It all boils down to the Metal. Do you want it Brushed or Polished?

Do you like the color of Titanium? Or Stainless...

it is there that you will find your answer.

FWK · 3 July 2012, 07:36 PM

Titanium is more exclusice and more understated than the flashy and scratchprone steel models. Even the strap included from Panerai is a more expensive one.

Titanium is almost as strong as steel but 45% lighter and will heal small scratches by oxidizing them slowly. It also takes the heat of your body very well, and you won't even notice that you are wearing it.

The Pam 111 is a nice entrylevel with a yearly run of 2500 units.
The Pam 177 is a small steep up in exclusivity with a run of only 800 units.

It's a taste thing, but the 177 is certainly more special then the 111.

It also lookes cool with any strap. Slap a nice vintage ammo one it, or the new oem green canvas and you have rough military diver. But give it a light one, like the Oem JV, and it's a dresswatch.

Cru Jones · 3 July 2012, 07:44 PM

there is no wrong answer here. some prefer the "pop" of the polished SS, while others prefer the more subdued Ti. both will go with any strap, both can be dressed up or down and both are great references.

personally, the Ti was a little too dull for me while polished SS was a bit too shiny for me, so, i went with a brushed SS case/polished SS bezel.

gregvisser · 3 July 2012, 08:31 PM

177. Love how the Ti feels on the wrist. The darker brushed finish also makes some of the large flat areas on the watch look smaller.

Greg

Psmith · 3 July 2012, 09:50 PM

Whichever you choose, be aware that the movement does not hack i.e. the hands keep moving when you pull out the crown to set the time. Not a big deal for some, but a deal-breaker for others

FWK · 3 July 2012, 10:11 PM

But then again - if that is a dealbreaker for you, then you can write off about 50% of all Panerai watches.

Panerai is not about precise timepieces, it's about history and design. And you can easily set the time correct anyway - I haven't set the time on my watch for several months - winds it every morning, and it's still with 10 sec.

IF you really want - you CAN - have hacking hands on their unitas movements:

Just let the power reserve run completely down so that the watch stops.

Now wind it slowly a few times, until the very point where the hands start moving again.

At this point, the movement is running and has enough power to keep and set time, but if you pull out the crown, the hands will stop while you set the time.

Afterwards, fully wind the watch.

dimitros · 3 July 2012, 10:17 PM

If lack of hacking seconds feature bothers you, forget the seconds all together- get a 112 or 176. Problem solved! With Pam less is more and base is ace!

LNX · 4 July 2012, 12:37 AM

I have a 177 and love the titanium feel. The polished SS is a bit too flashy for me.

kilyung · 4 July 2012, 03:12 AM

I miss my 111 sometimes.

SaddleSC · 4 July 2012, 03:18 AM

177 for me. I love the weight and the look of the darker, brushed finish...

mfer · 4 July 2012, 05:11 AM

I'm biased. I like steel and painted numbers on 44mm luminors.

I say 111G!!!! E and F are good too.

IanD · 4 July 2012, 08:01 AM

Ti for me... love my 176

Such a versatile watch. Shown here on a Gunny Black 74 strap

Psmith · 4 July 2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWK

But then again - if that is a dealbreaker for you, then you can write off about 50% of all Panerai watches.

Panerai is not about precise timepieces, it's about history and design. And you can easily set the time correct anyway - I haven't set the time on my watch for several months - winds it every morning, and it's still with 10 sec.

IF you really want - you CAN - have hacking hands on their unitas movements:

Just let the power reserve run completely down so that the watch stops.

Now wind it slowly a few times, until the very point where the hands start moving again.

At this point, the movement is running and has enough power to keep and set time, but if you pull out the crown, the hands will stop while you set the time.

Afterwards, fully wind the watch.

Yes, and you can also 'hack' the movement by turning the crown counter-clockwise, to apply a little 'braking force'. These are relaxed timepieces (no minute markers, for example) but the Unitas-based movements are still capable of great accuracy. After all, many of them come with a COSC certificate FWIW

rulessapt · 4 July 2012, 02:16 PM

I had my 210 demagnetised, then put on a timer.
The watchmaker nearly fell over, on two positions, it was + or- 0 seconds.
Floored me too.
So I took note very carefully for three days of the minute hand position, on 6 pm.
It looked spot on, I could dectect no drift of the minute hand.
That's good enough for we mortals.
They can clearly be VERY accurate.

cheers
richard

Psmith · 4 July 2012, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rulessapt

I had my 210 demagnetised, then put on a timer.
The watchmaker nearly fell over, on two positions, it was + or- 0 seconds.
Floored me too.
So I took note very carefully for three days of the minute hand position, on 6 pm.
It looked spot on, I could dectect no drift of the minute hand.
That's good enough for we mortals.
They can clearly be VERY accurate.

cheers
richard

Nice

Over the years I've had a number of watches with the Unitas 6497/8 (or movements based on it) and it has probably been the most consistently reliable and accurate movement of all that I've yet experienced... although the Blancpain 1315 is giving it a run for its money so far...

Jonathan007 · 4 July 2012, 09:36 PM

I am biased so 111.

Good entry level, move on from there

tribal762000 · 6 July 2012, 01:12 AM

177 automatic,111 manual

Cru Jones · 6 July 2012, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribal762000

177 automatic,111 manual

actually, no, they are both manual. in fact, they have exactly the same movement. only difference is the case material.

FWK · 6 July 2012, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

actually, no, they are both manual. in fact, they have exactly the same movement. only difference is the case material.

and the included strap and production numbers. But otherwise their are like identical twins. The 177 being slightly more expensive and exclusive.

Let's hear what you got?

REXMTL · 6 July 2012, 04:21 AM

Had the same problem a little while ago like so many people. I went for the 177 for the look of the Ti for the most part. That said, I am curruent selling it to purchase a different model. Think I may be missing steel :-)

bde · 7 July 2012, 01:36 PM

Too shine or not to shine, that is the question...

I say the answer is shine, but I'm biased. Wore my 111 today actually.

3 July 2012, 06:31 AM	#1
lindstd "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 233	PAM 177 or 111 Hello everyone! I started a thread on the non-rolex forum in regard to my pursuit in a sporty/casual new watch. I currently own a IWC Portuguese 5001-07 and I am looking for something a little different. With that being said, I am somewhat leaning towards an Omega Planet Ocean or an Panerai 177 or maybe a 111. I like the idea of the titanium but I don't know if I would be making a huge mistake or not. I don't know if the 111 is a much more sought after piece compared to the titanium version or not. I like the idea of an obsession of straps if I was to pursue a Pam however I don't know if I would be more limited if I was to buy the 177 because of the different coloring of the titanium or is it as versatile as the 111. Thanks for anyones input when they have time to reply. I greatly appreciate it!

3 July 2012, 07:14 AM	#2
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	I was in the same position about 8 years ago and went for the 177! At the time the Panerai that introduced me to the brand was the 36. I just missed out on the PAM118 which is pretty much identical to the 177 apart from the tobacco dial like the 36! Had it for years and loved every minute of wearing it. Only got rid of it to trade up and couldn't at the time justify 7 Panerai! __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

3 July 2012, 01:10 PM	#9
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Out of these two, the 111 for me I'm not a big fan of Ti, and the 111 just looks nicer to me __________________

3 July 2012, 02:10 PM	#10
FNFZ4 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Alfred Location: DC Metro Watch: None Posts: 29,368	I am biased. Pam 177 for me... :) It all boils down to the Metal. Do you want it Brushed or Polished? Do you like the color of Titanium? Or Stainless... it is there that you will find your answer. __________________ NEED PC HELP? ASK HERE! Watches: Patek 5205G \| Patek 5167A \| 16613 Serti \| 116718 Green \| 216570 Black \| 16700 Pepsi Wish list: Patek 5726/1 \| AP RG Ceramic \| Patek 5712 \| Patek 5130

3 July 2012, 09:50 PM	#14
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Whichever you choose, be aware that the movement does not hack i.e. the hands keep moving when you pull out the crown to set the time. Not a big deal for some, but a deal-breaker for others __________________

3 July 2012, 07:48 AM	#3
Mastergreenhand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Tony Location: Chi-town Watch: Starbucks Posts: 1,170	Either one is just as versatile as the other I think. I nice crock strap on either dresses it up. Ammo dresses both down. I like the darker look of the ti personally.

3 July 2012, 08:31 AM	#4
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	I had a 177 but not for very long. I initially though the Ti was a nice transition from Rolexes, but realized in the end that polished ss is more my thing. Between the two, I'd lean more towards the 111. Good luck!

3 July 2012, 08:55 AM	#5
rulessapt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: richard Location: Tasmania Watch: u c Posts: 514	The 177 was my first Panerai, I loved it. Eventually I sold it to a friend. every time we speak he reminds me and thanks me for selling it to him. I have Radiomirs now, which are my preference, BUT I miss that 177 and will buy one again. Very versatile, very attractive. The only minus point to me is the finish, which is quite soft. As for straps, the 177 goes with everything. Enjoy making your choice. cheers richard

3 July 2012, 11:23 AM	#6
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,149	I was between the 111 and 177 as well, picked the 177 because I found a great deal I couldn't pass up. I'm happy with the decision. It has a great tool watch look, is a little lighter than the 111 and is a good change of pace from my steel watches. I think it looks better on a darker strap in general, but there are tons to choose from.

3 July 2012, 11:36 AM	#7
Benjamin Choi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 237	111 - it's classic Panerai.

3 July 2012, 12:51 PM	#8
Conan435 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Neil Location: Georgia Watch: Explorer II Posts: 684	I like the Ti version a little better, although a hard choice. I had the same debate of a PAM 24 or PAM 25, ended up going with the 25. I like that you see fewer Ti PAMs around.

3 July 2012, 07:36 PM	#11
FWK "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Denmark Posts: 137	Titanium is more exclusice and more understated than the flashy and scratchprone steel models. Even the strap included from Panerai is a more expensive one. Titanium is almost as strong as steel but 45% lighter and will heal small scratches by oxidizing them slowly. It also takes the heat of your body very well, and you won't even notice that you are wearing it. The Pam 111 is a nice entrylevel with a yearly run of 2500 units. The Pam 177 is a small steep up in exclusivity with a run of only 800 units. It's a taste thing, but the 177 is certainly more special then the 111. It also lookes cool with any strap. Slap a nice vintage ammo one it, or the new oem green canvas and you have rough military diver. But give it a light one, like the Oem JV, and it's a dresswatch.

3 July 2012, 07:44 PM	#12
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,475	there is no wrong answer here. some prefer the "pop" of the polished SS, while others prefer the more subdued Ti. both will go with any strap, both can be dressed up or down and both are great references. personally, the Ti was a little too dull for me while polished SS was a bit too shiny for me, so, i went with a brushed SS case/polished SS bezel.

3 July 2012, 08:31 PM	#13
gregvisser "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Greg Visser Location: New Zealand Posts: 543	177. Love how the Ti feels on the wrist. The darker brushed finish also makes some of the large flat areas on the watch look smaller. Greg

3 July 2012, 10:11 PM	#15
FWK "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Denmark Posts: 137	But then again - if that is a dealbreaker for you, then you can write off about 50% of all Panerai watches. Panerai is not about precise timepieces, it's about history and design. And you can easily set the time correct anyway - I haven't set the time on my watch for several months - winds it every morning, and it's still with 10 sec. IF you really want - you CAN - have hacking hands on their unitas movements: Just let the power reserve run completely down so that the watch stops. Now wind it slowly a few times, until the very point where the hands start moving again. At this point, the movement is running and has enough power to keep and set time, but if you pull out the crown, the hands will stop while you set the time. Afterwards, fully wind the watch.

3 July 2012, 10:17 PM	#16
dimitros "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: nope Location: S of Mason-Dixon Watch: NDSub/PAM176/R1931 Posts: 262	If lack of hacking seconds feature bothers you, forget the seconds all together- get a 112 or 176. Problem solved! With Pam less is more and base is ace!

4 July 2012, 12:37 AM	#17
LNX Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: Panerai 177 Posts: 135	I have a 177 and love the titanium feel. The polished SS is a bit too flashy for me.

4 July 2012, 03:12 AM	#18
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,870	I miss my 111 sometimes.

4 July 2012, 03:18 AM	#19
SaddleSC "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Charles B Location: GMT -7 Watch: Hulk 116610LV Posts: 6,124	177 for me. I love the weight and the look of the darker, brushed finish... __________________ Hulk 116610LV + GMT II 126710 BLNR + Explorer 124270 + Air King 126900 + Submariner 16613LB

4 July 2012, 05:11 AM	#20
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	I'm biased. I like steel and painted numbers on 44mm luminors. I say 111G!!!! E and F are good too. __________________ member#3242

4 July 2012, 02:16 PM	#23
rulessapt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: richard Location: Tasmania Watch: u c Posts: 514	I had my 210 demagnetised, then put on a timer. The watchmaker nearly fell over, on two positions, it was + or- 0 seconds. Floored me too. So I took note very carefully for three days of the minute hand position, on 6 pm. It looked spot on, I could dectect no drift of the minute hand. That's good enough for we mortals. They can clearly be VERY accurate. cheers richard

4 July 2012, 09:36 PM	#25
Jonathan007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Jon Location: ENGLAND Watch: #296 Posts: 792	I am biased so 111. Good entry level, move on from there __________________ Seiko all original 6105-8119

6 July 2012, 01:12 AM	#26
tribal762000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: singapore Watch: GMT Master 2 Posts: 103	177 automatic,111 manual

6 July 2012, 04:21 AM	#29
REXMTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Watch: Sub Date - PAM673 Posts: 88	Had the same problem a little while ago like so many people. I went for the 177 for the look of the Ti for the most part. That said, I am curruent selling it to purchase a different model. Think I may be missing steel :-) __________________ __________________ Rolex SS Submariner Omega Speedmaster PAM 673

7 July 2012, 01:36 PM	#30
bde "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Brad Location: Indiana Watch: -aholics anonymous Posts: 1,589	Too shine or not to shine, that is the question... I say the answer is shine, but I'm biased. Wore my 111 today actually.

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