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submariner16610 · 4 February 2010, 09:20 AM

i just went to an aD to try pams.I don't really notice the difference of the 1950's case vs the luminor marina case??They look pretty same to me. But i've read a couple posts and i noticed most of the paneristis love the 1950's case more..I tried both,compoared both side by side and it looks pretty same to me. the difference is very minimal and not really noticeable..How do you see it guys?

B. Doggy · 4 February 2010, 10:11 AM

I think there's a BIG difference. I'm a WIS though.

m_reign · 4 February 2010, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

I think there's a BIG difference. I'm a WIS though.

I second that, it is a huge difference.

HL65 · 4 February 2010, 10:23 AM

Big time difference! X3

Nica64 · 4 February 2010, 10:42 AM

X4, big difference!!

Psmith · 4 February 2010, 11:16 AM

Big diff... compare 'em side-by-side in profile...

Cheers

USCpaneristi · 4 February 2010, 11:55 AM

There's a big difference, both in looks and how they wear on the wrist. Perhaps this will help you out:

http://www.paneraisource.com/articles_caseshape.shtml

Cheers!

Shade · 4 February 2010, 12:13 PM

It depends on how you look at it. First you have the different crownguard, second you have different shape from the bottom to top part, third the brush strokes are different on the casings.

But, when you look at it in a glance, yes it's difficult to notice the difference..

rr-nyc · 4 February 2010, 12:38 PM

x5 ...the differences are certainly noticeable to me especially when they're side by side

TswaneNguni · 4 February 2010, 01:52 PM

All polished classic Luminor case the best IMO.

Not that fond of brushed ss...then we now have the polished 1950s case in the form of the 359 ...

submariner16610 · 4 February 2010, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCpaneristi

There's a big difference, both in looks and how they wear on the wrist. Perhaps this will help you out:

http://www.paneraisource.com/articles_caseshape.shtml

Cheers!

that link is helpful. thanks.

Dsaltydog · 5 February 2010, 03:30 AM

What is the wording "reg" and "tm" on the crown guard refer to and why?

Joey_V · 5 February 2010, 03:47 AM

What do you mean not noticeable?

It's like comparing the old GMTII to the new GMTII ceramic!

mfer · 5 February 2010, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsaltydog

What is the wording "reg" and "tm" on the crown guard refer to and why?

Registered Trademark.

Panerai invented that crown protector and then their patent ran out, so the trademarked the shape as being Panerai.

bcdunham · 5 February 2010, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsaltydog

What is the wording "reg" and "tm" on the crown guard refer to and why?

Registered trademark. Gives people notice that they can't copy the look of this feature.

Here is a summary of the actual filing with the US Patent & Trademark Office:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...05:qgbnd7.5.22

More detail:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=75581460

Link where you can actually downloan pdfs of the correspondence btwn the USPTO and Cartier, who originally filed for this.

http://tmportal.uspto.gov/external/p...TEXT=75581460#

Zed · 5 February 2010, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

All polished classic Luminor case the best IMO.

Not that fond of brushed ss...then we now have the polished 1950s case in the form of the 359 ...

mmm i can see how u will like this baby Chris.. i love it too (this and 339 from 2010 r the ones 4 me)... but how will it compete with your 104???? only time will tell...

Dsaltydog · 5 February 2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcdunham

Registered trademark. Gives people notice that they can't copy the look of this feature.

Here is a summary of the actual filing with the US Patent & Trademark Office:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...05:qgbnd7.5.22

More detail:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=75581460

Link where you can actually downloan pdfs of the correspondence btwn the USPTO and Cartier, who originally filed for this.

http://tmportal.uspto.gov/external/p...TEXT=75581460#

Regards,

dotcomakazee · 6 February 2010, 02:19 AM

The 1950's case is clearly superior, IMO. And the one on the 233 is even superior to the one on the 312. It's lower profile and hugs the wrist just right.

When I had an 88, 90, and 24, I ALWAYS had problems with the watch slipping to one side, which drove me crazy. I did not have this problem with the 312 and especially the 233!

Fred_Tan · 6 February 2010, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by submariner16610

i just went to an aD to try pams.I don't really notice the difference of the 1950's case vs the luminor marina case??They look pretty same to me. But i've read a couple posts and i noticed most of the paneristis love the 1950's case more..I tried both,compoared both side by side and it looks pretty same to me. the difference is very minimal and not really noticeable..How do you see it guys?

Here's a 44mm Luminor

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And, here's the 47mm 1950

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See the difference?
1950 is bubble shape...harder to machine...

Renoir · 6 February 2010, 10:16 AM

Great pics Fred!!!

Excellent comparison!

HL65 · 6 February 2010, 10:27 AM

Great shots Fred!!!

pam4.jpg

Carlo Miguel · 6 February 2010, 08:43 PM

Panerai watch is all about details....

Every small details counts....

A1000 · 6 February 2010, 08:51 PM

Great pics and they show the real difference which is from a side profile where the styling is very different. Personally I found that the 1950 sat better on my wrist than the more contemporary luminor case. In passing to the untrained eye they may seem the same, however, once you have seen the two next to each other then they are so different.

Trurolexer · 7 February 2010, 11:13 PM

Love BOTH!!!

TswaneNguni · 7 February 2010, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zed

mmm i can see how u will like this baby Chris.. i love it too (this and 339 from 2010 r the ones 4 me)... but how will it compete with your 104???? only time will tell...

104 on the OEM ss brushed/polished bracelet looks pretty good !!!

Right Said Fred ...... Fred,awesome pics !!!

4 February 2010, 09:20 AM	#1
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	luminor marina vs 1950's case? i just went to an aD to try pams.I don't really notice the difference of the 1950's case vs the luminor marina case??They look pretty same to me. But i've read a couple posts and i noticed most of the paneristis love the 1950's case more..I tried both,compoared both side by side and it looks pretty same to me. the difference is very minimal and not really noticeable..How do you see it guys?

4 February 2010, 10:11 AM	#2
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	I think there's a BIG difference. I'm a WIS though. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

4 February 2010, 10:23 AM	#4
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,389	Big time difference! X3 __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

4 February 2010, 10:42 AM	#5
Nica64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,596	X4, big difference!! __________________ ______________________________ You can't turn back the clock. But you can wind it up again.

4 February 2010, 11:16 AM	#6
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Big diff... compare 'em side-by-side in profile... Cheers __________________

4 February 2010, 11:55 AM	#7
USCpaneristi Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: California Watch: Black SS Daytona Posts: 227	There's a big difference, both in looks and how they wear on the wrist. Perhaps this will help you out: http://www.paneraisource.com/articles_caseshape.shtml Cheers!

4 February 2010, 12:13 PM	#8
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	It depends on how you look at it. First you have the different crownguard, second you have different shape from the bottom to top part, third the brush strokes are different on the casings. But, when you look at it in a glance, yes it's difficult to notice the difference..

4 February 2010, 12:38 PM	#9
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	x5 ...the differences are certainly noticeable to me especially when they're side by side

4 February 2010, 01:52 PM	#10
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,608	All polished classic Luminor case the best IMO. Not that fond of brushed ss...then we now have the polished 1950s case in the form of the 359 ...

5 February 2010, 03:30 AM	#12
Dsaltydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: David Location: Miami Beach Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 327	What is the wording "reg" and "tm" on the crown guard refer to and why? __________________ David 16610,16610LV,16613Serti,16622,116520, PAM 088, 1680, 1675,AP ROO AlighaniPolaris,Tudor 9411 ,1665,6536-1,5513,1655,PAM 425 SLC;BLNR,116655

5 February 2010, 03:47 AM	#13
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	What do you mean not noticeable? It's like comparing the old GMTII to the new GMTII ceramic! __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

6 February 2010, 02:19 AM	#18
dotcomakazee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ty Location: Irving, TX Watch: Exp II 42mm Posts: 919	The 1950's case is clearly superior, IMO. And the one on the 233 is even superior to the one on the 312. It's lower profile and hugs the wrist just right. When I had an 88, 90, and 24, I ALWAYS had problems with the watch slipping to one side, which drove me crazy. I did not have this problem with the 312 and especially the 233! __________________ Rolex Explorer II 42mm • Panerai 389 47mm

6 February 2010, 10:16 AM	#20
Renoir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: New York Posts: 2,396	Great pics Fred!!! Excellent comparison!

6 February 2010, 10:27 AM	#21
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,389	Great shots Fred!!! pam4.jpg __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

6 February 2010, 08:43 PM	#22
Carlo Miguel Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlo Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 444	Panerai watch is all about details.... Every small details counts....

6 February 2010, 08:51 PM	#23
A1000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Adrian Location: UK Posts: 953	Great pics and they show the real difference which is from a side profile where the styling is very different. Personally I found that the 1950 sat better on my wrist than the more contemporary luminor case. In passing to the untrained eye they may seem the same, however, once you have seen the two next to each other then they are so different. __________________ Rolex 16610LV (2007) PAM 312K (2009) PAM 292K (2009)

7 February 2010, 11:13 PM	#24
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Love BOTH!!!

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