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Old 21 June 2017, 05:27 AM   #1
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Navitimer 01 vs. A23322

I have been unsuccessful in finding any information regarding the difference between these two. A used 01 is still a fair amount higher than A23322.

Any help in deciding which to get would be appreciated.
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Old 21 June 2017, 07:26 AM   #2
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Both are the same as far as appearance.
The A23322 was made until 2011.
Since then, it's an AB rather than an A.

Cannot really compare for pricing.
The real difference lies inside.
The A23322 is not an in house movement whereas the newer AB is, hence the higher pricing.

Go AB all the way.
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Old 21 June 2017, 08:35 AM   #3
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For the record, it's AB0120 for the steel Navitimer 01, unless it's the limited edition, which is AB0121.

In terms of help in deciding, not only will the A23322 be cheaper to buy (yes, in-house movement, but also generally older), but it will probably be cheaper to service.
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Old 21 June 2017, 11:23 AM   #4
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For the record, it's AB0120 for the steel Navitimer 01, unless it's the limited edition, which is AB0121.

In terms of help in deciding, not only will the A23322 be cheaper to buy (yes, in-house movement, but also generally older), but it will probably be cheaper to service.
$690 for non in house, $850 for in house.
Hardly a concern in this reference price range.
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Old 21 June 2017, 11:35 AM   #5
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Navitimer 01 vs. A23322

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$690 for non in house, $850 for in house.

Hardly a concern in this reference price range.

For the wealthy perhaps. If you follow Breitling's suggested maintenance schedule, that's $800 difference over a 20 year ownership. You can buy a nice lower-end beater for that kind of money, or buy your wife a nice gift, pay your car registration or put it on your mortgage.

https://www.breitling.com/multimedia...v/sav-1219.pdf
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Old 21 June 2017, 11:52 AM   #6
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For the wealthy perhaps. If you follow Breitling's suggested maintenance schedule, that's $800 difference over a 20 year ownership. You can buy a nice lower-end beater for that kind of money, or buy your wife a nice gift, pay your car registration or put it on your mortgage.

https://www.breitling.com/multimedia...v/sav-1219.pdf
Seriously?
For the price range of a Breitling, $800 in 20 years is peanuts.
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Old 22 June 2017, 03:18 AM   #7
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there are various opinions regarding any in house vs out for watch movements. How important is this for the navitimer?
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Old 22 June 2017, 05:37 AM   #8
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there are various opinions regarding any in house vs out for watch movements. How important is this for the navitimer?
Lots of information to be found on this topic.
In my opinion, wouldn't buy it if not in house.
That's just my thought when buying an expensive watch.

To better answer "how important", the significant price difference should be a good indicator.
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Old 22 June 2017, 08:41 AM   #9
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there are various opinions regarding any in house vs out for watch movements. How important is this for the navitimer?

Opinions will vary of course, and those will be based on factors ranging from imperial evidence of superiority to snobbery. However, with respect to the Navitimer, consider this: it has been a model in Breitling's range almost continuously since 1952 (or 1954) and was only fitted with an in-house movement in 2010. Of course, it wasn't the same movement in the preceding 58 (or 56) years, as that changed over time with the introduction of successive Navitimer models, but the point being that the good reputation of the Navitimer was built on a succession of externally sources movements, so you can come to your own conclusion about how important an in-house movement is for the Navitimer.
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Old 22 June 2017, 12:51 PM   #10
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Lots of information to be found on this topic.
In my opinion, wouldn't buy it if not in house.
That's just my thought when buying an expensive watch.

To better answer "how important", the significant price difference should be a good indicator.
I don't think you can judge it based on price. The Navi has been around for quite a few years with the modified movement and I don't recall there ever being a problem with that movement. True, the B01 movement is a nice upgrade but the modified ETA presents a great value in my opinion.
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Old 30 June 2017, 10:36 AM   #11
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what is the difference between the AB0120 and the limited AB0121
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Old 30 June 2017, 10:42 AM   #12
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what is the difference between the AB0120 and the limited AB0121
AB0121 LE is a B01 as well but has an exhibition back.
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Old 30 June 2017, 10:44 AM   #13
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I don't think you can judge it based on price. The Navi has been around for quite a few years with the modified movement and I don't recall there ever being a problem with that movement. True, the B01 movement is a nice upgrade but the modified ETA presents a great value in my opinion.
No doubt a better value cost wise with an ETA movement and a great movement indeed. However, the B01 far exceeds the ETA and is worth the difference in my opinion.
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Old 30 June 2017, 11:54 AM   #14
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AB0121 LE is a B01 as well but has an exhibition back.

Different colour date wheel too.
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Old 30 June 2017, 12:34 PM   #15
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No doubt a better value cost wise with an ETA movement and a great movement indeed. However, the B01 far exceeds the ETA and is worth the difference in my opinion.
While the B01 does have the longer power reserve and the ability to adjust the date at anytime, they're both COSC certified and I don't think either will truly outperform the other. And this is coming from a guy who owns a B01 Chronomat.
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Old 1 July 2017, 11:40 AM   #16
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Anyone have a picture of the LE? And was the LE offered in blue?
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Old 1 July 2017, 12:00 PM   #17
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Anyone have a picture of the LE? And was the LE offered in blue?
Same watch, just a white Date wheel with red numbers. LE has a see through back.

There was a 43mm Blue LE back around 2012 called the Blue Sky.

Added: and now looking at photo, on the black dial LE, wing is in white gold.
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Anyone have a picture of the LE? And was the LE offered in blue?



No blue dial as I recall.
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Old 1 July 2017, 12:09 PM   #19
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Trying to figure out how to add photos post the new PB issues.

Google Navitimer Blue Sky LE.
Beautiful watch.
Same look as the current 46mm blue dial.
Came with a blue croc band.
Came out about five years ago or so from what I recall.
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Old 1 July 2017, 12:11 PM   #20
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There was a 43mm Blue LE back around 2012 called the Blue Sky.

Blue Sky was Reference AB0125. Had a solid case back.

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Old 1 July 2017, 04:10 PM   #21
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I have a Navitimer 01 LE. Beautiful watch!. Yes they do have a 43mm LE in blue but that one has the Arabic numbers instead of the markers.
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I have a Navitimer 01 LE. Beautiful watch!. Yes they do have a 43mm LE in blue but that one has the Arabic numbers instead of the markers.
Correct.
It was a AB0121 reference as well.

I may have in fact confused the reference number for the Blue Sky but do recall a 121 in blue.
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Old 2 July 2017, 01:17 PM   #23
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I have a Navitimer 01 LE. Beautiful watch!. Yes they do have a 43mm LE in blue but that one has the Arabic numbers instead of the markers.

I'm a bit confused here. Are we talking about this LE (AB0121C4/C920)





If so, it is a Navitimer 01 LE, but not a blue version of the original 01 LE introduced in 2010. I thought that's what @loanman was asking about.

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Anyone have a picture of the LE? And was the LE offered in blue?
As an aside, the AB0121C4/C920 looks like it is from the last few years, but it would have to be one of the most under-reported Breitling LEs ever, as I could find almost no information on it.
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OP, something else to consider regarding in house B01 v ETA movement, aside from the greater power reserve,
The B01 comes with a five year warranty v. Two years for the ETA.
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Old 2 July 2017, 11:53 PM   #25
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Okay, the original LE Blue Sky has a model number of AB0125, came with your choice of bracelet, blue croc, or whatever you wanted as a strap option. It has a display back and the dial was blue with a blue date wheel and white date numerals. It was only issued with batons as markers. There were "only" 500 pieces available and is one of the harder to come by Breitling's on the secondary market. Recently Breitling has released a 46mm version similar to the blue sky and a 43 mm with arabic numerals. It is absolutely beautiful and one of my Breitling which will stay in may collection forever!
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Recently Breitling has released a 46mm version similar to the blue sky and a 43 mm with arabic numerals. It is absolutely beautiful and one of my Breitling which will stay in may collection forever!
Scot -- which one is yours, the 43mm or the 46mm?

It's too bad the Blue Sky version is no longer available in 43mm -- it's a beauty.

I think one of the nicest looking Breitling blue dials at the moment is a bit of an under the radar choice -- the Montbrillant Datora LE.

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I went with the a23322 and have no problem. I love it other than no quick set date

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Scot -- which one is yours, the 43mm or the 46mm?
Jim, I have the 43mm, the original Blue Sky with baton markers. The Montbrillant that you mention, is it the datora or the regular Montbriallant? There is a blue Montbrillant that also came in a limited edition of 500 pieces, it was released about two years ago. It is more readily available on the secondary market than the Blue Sky, could be because of it 40mm size.
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Jim, I have the 43mm, the original Blue Sky with baton markers. The Montbrillant that you mention, is it the datora or the regular Montbriallant? There is a blue Montbrillant that also came in a limited edition of 500 pieces, it was released about two years ago. It is more readily available on the secondary market than the Blue Sky, could be because of it 40mm size.
You're absolutely right -- my bad -- I was referring to the Montbrillant LE that is currently shown on Breitling's website. (I reflexively added "Datora" by mistake).

Good for you for scoring the 43mm original Blue Sky -- that is just an amazingly beautiful Navi!
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Blue Sky was Reference AB0125. Had a solid case back.

There's a GMT version if that I think.
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