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nr1416 · 22 February 2020, 12:11 AM

Specially No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered.

Can this be Rolex catching up on being closed for the 3 weeks over the holidays?

Or....

Could the 114060 be discontinued in the near future because Rolex will be revamping the Submariner with a new movement and case?

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

All speculation obviously.....

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blcblc · 22 February 2020, 12:17 AM

Yes, i think it will be discontinued.

Zakalwe · 22 February 2020, 12:20 AM

I'm not convinced that anecdotes based on a tiny proportion of the total number of watches can be used to draw conclusions.

beshannon · 22 February 2020, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nr1416

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

All speculation obviously.....

So like this years new iPhone?

Same thread different day

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=726410

Podmornica · 22 February 2020, 12:28 AM

I hope that you are right. I am on a waiting list for quite some time now for a 114060. I thought of paying around 10-15% premium, since it's the model with not such a high mark up like the GMT, but decided not to feed the gray market at all.

Also, with all the talks regarding the non transferable warranty, and RSC asking for an ID to match the name on the card, I thought it was just not worth it.

sgwatchguy · 22 February 2020, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nr1416

Specially No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered.

Where are you seeing this? Data source?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr1416

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

Dump? As in they’re clearing up the junk?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr1416

All speculation obviously.....

Exactly

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6538 · 22 February 2020, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nr1416

Could the 114060 be discontinued in the near future because Rolex will be revamping the Submariner with a new movement and case?.

Why discontinue the original design? It is not as though horology prevents the upgrade of the 3130 to a "3230".

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr1416

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

I cannot see Rolex, or any manufacturer, stockpiling their popular model to release as they please. When the watch is finished it is shipped to the AD.

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Originally Posted by nr1416

All speculation obviously.....

Agreed. Basel is the final word.

air_king · 22 February 2020, 01:27 AM

I think there is going to be bump in supply due to to situation in China.

rmagoo57 · 22 February 2020, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr1416

Specially No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered.

Can this be Rolex catching up on being closed for the 3 weeks over the holidays?

Or....

Could the 114060 be discontinued in the near future because Rolex will be revamping the Submariner with a new movement and case?

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

All speculation obviously.....

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Where? If in Windsor, I might go take a look!

franktehtank · 22 February 2020, 01:33 AM

VERY small design refinements, if any, and new movement. That's my prediction for the new sub.

cerendigit · 22 February 2020, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nr1416

No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered.

What do you mean by "I'm seeing"? Do you have access to Rolex sales numbers?

Ravager135 · 22 February 2020, 01:40 AM

Predictions are worthless, though if you look at what Rolex has done historically they have always updated the GMT-Master II first and then applied similar updates to the Submariner in the following years. We will probably get a "new" Submariner that won't look much different at all. There will be a subtle redesign of the case that is almost unnoticeable. This already happened with the BLRO and BLNR on Jubilee. They will also probably tweak the movement and improve it slightly. Whether or not they keep certain dial and bezels colors, no one knows.

Bizcut1 · 22 February 2020, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravager135

Predictions are worthless, though if you look at what Rolex has done historically they have always updated the GMT-Master II first and then applied similar updates to the Submariner in the following years. We will probably get a "new" Submariner that won't look much different at all. There will be a subtle redesign of the case that is almost unnoticeable. This already happened with the BLRO and BLNR on Jubilee. They will also probably tweak the movement and improve it slightly. Whether or not they keep certain dial and bezels colors, no one knows.

I'm hoping they discontinue Hulk.

rjstuf001 · 22 February 2020, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizcut1

I'm hoping they discontinue Hulk.

why

Buckaroo Banzai · 22 February 2020, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rjstuf001

why

Probably it will give a bump on market value to the one that he owns.

Bizcut1 · 22 February 2020, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stevers63

Probably it will give a bump on market value to the one that he owns.

Yes, that's true.

I just enjoy wearing a unique watch. The discontinuation will add to that.

Just my .02. My watch collection is pared way back these days. Enjoying what I have.

escobar144 · 22 February 2020, 02:58 AM

I know its really messed up to say but yeah I think due to the situation in china that the sports models are more readily available here in the U.S. I doubt the submariner will change this year.

mat355 · 22 February 2020, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by air_king

I think there is going to be bump in supply due to to situation in China.

I agree

Bizcut1 · 22 February 2020, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escobar144

I know its really messed up to say but yeah I think due to the situation in china that the sports models are more readily available here in the U.S. I doubt the submariner will change this year.

I think this is also a likely scenario moving forward into 2020. It could also explain the apparent recent increase in SS incomings...

2nastie · 22 February 2020, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr1416

Specially No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered.

Can this be Rolex catching up on being closed for the 3 weeks over the holidays?

Or....

Could the 114060 be discontinued in the near future because Rolex will be revamping the Submariner with a new movement and case?

Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub?

All speculation obviously.....

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I think you can keep that as speculation...

Are you speaking from experience as-in seeing them arrive at ADs or because of forum in-comings?

I think Subs in general have been pretty steady. I know in Vancouver each of our ADs gets at least 1 in per shipment and it can happen weekly or bi-weekly in terms of the frequency of shipments. Some would claim they don't get any Subs are lying to you.

If you are observing it on the forums... well, we are the smallest sample size of the market. I think its more of a coincidence with the number of in-comings or lack of in-comings depending on the month. I think it just so happens a lot of forum members got the call on the Sub recently.

...

Based on the trends, it would appear the Sub is the next ideal candidate for a refresh. If it is, like the GMT LN, I don't think you'll see Rolex just bombard ADs with stock. They will simply cut it off. Alarm bells will ring when you literally hear all major ADs not getting Sub in at all.

Calatrava r · 22 February 2020, 04:37 AM

There is really no rhyme or reason to any of this and nobody should draw any conclusions from what they think is being supplied or not supplied.

beshannon · 22 February 2020, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Calatrava r

There is really no rhyme or reason to any of this and nobody should draw any conclusions from what they think is being supplied or not supplied.

But but but . . . the internet

scurfa · 22 February 2020, 05:34 AM

I think the increase is being caused by Hong Kong and China having more to worry about than the purchase of sports Rolex watches, Swatch have said its 50% of their market.

Harry-57 · 22 February 2020, 06:33 AM

I've seen a few threads about incoming Subs and Sub Dates. Maybe a few more than this time last year but the forum isn't exactly sloshing with them. Might this be because more people are getting them, or maybe it's because more people are reporting them.

What has increased significantly are the number of threads stating that the number of threads reporting Sub and Sub Date arrivals is increasing. I think this has the potential to fuel a false narrative. After all, it's not as if Rolex were making 10 Hulks a year is it?

This time last year the death of the BLNR was being predicted (including by me) based on whispers heard and some sketchy circumstantial evidence. Equally loud was the push back saying that the BLNR would not, indeed could not be discontinued. And both sides turned out to be correct. I think Rolex must really love this time of year. Lots of aching ribs in Geneva.

Littletommy · 22 February 2020, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Podmornica

I hope that you are right. I am on a waiting list for quite some time now for a 114060. I thought of paying around 10-15% premium, since it's the model with not such a high mark up like the GMT, but decided not to feed the gray market at all.

Also, with all the talks regarding the non transferable warranty, and RSC asking for an ID to match the name on the card, I thought it was just not worth it.

Where did you get this 'non-transferable' stuff. It doesn't matter who's name is on the card. Do yourself a favor and buy the watch you want from a trusted seller here and enjoy it!

AJMarcus · 22 February 2020, 06:38 AM

There’s always a surge on models in the early part of the new year. Right after when prices are increased. Pays for the Holiday advertising of the prior year

Andy C · 22 February 2020, 01:17 PM

Was on the phone with my AD today discussing a Patek purchase. She mentioned she had a no date sub in the safe. She said it would be gone by end of the day.

Krash · 22 February 2020, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by air_king

I think there is going to be bump in supply due to to situation in China.

It’s plausible. Watches originally allocated to China might find there way to USA and European markets.

However, I got my Submariner this time of year back in 2017. I couldn’t get one from Thanksgiving 2016 through the Christmas holidays, and suddenly several ADs had one available for me all at the same time in late Feb.

So it could be normal.

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jeorge · 22 February 2020, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Littletommy

Where did you get this 'non-transferable' stuff. It doesn't matter who's name is on the card. Do yourself a favor and buy the watch you want from a trusted seller here and enjoy it!

Oh yes it does least in the U.S ! For warranty work!!

Montremoi · 22 February 2020, 07:59 PM

A Sub has no date.

22 February 2020, 12:11 AM	#1
nr1416 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: NA Posts: 756	Influx of New Subs being delivered lately Specially No Date Subs that I'm seeing being delivered. Can this be Rolex catching up on being closed for the 3 weeks over the holidays? Or.... Could the 114060 be discontinued in the near future because Rolex will be revamping the Submariner with a new movement and case? Maybe they have to dump all their current inventory to make way for the new Sub? All speculation obviously..... Sent from my SM-G975W using Tapatalk

22 February 2020, 12:20 AM	#3
Zakalwe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Sal Location: London Posts: 2,496	I'm not convinced that anecdotes based on a tiny proportion of the total number of watches can be used to draw conclusions. __________________ “Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

22 February 2020, 05:34 AM	#23
scurfa "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sunderland Posts: 1,258	I think the increase is being caused by Hong Kong and China having more to worry about than the purchase of sports Rolex watches, Swatch have said its 50% of their market. __________________ Instagram @scurfawatches

22 February 2020, 12:17 AM	#2
blcblc "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,282	Yes, i think it will be discontinued.

22 February 2020, 12:28 AM	#5
Podmornica Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: EU Posts: 806	I hope that you are right. I am on a waiting list for quite some time now for a 114060. I thought of paying around 10-15% premium, since it's the model with not such a high mark up like the GMT, but decided not to feed the gray market at all. Also, with all the talks regarding the non transferable warranty, and RSC asking for an ID to match the name on the card, I thought it was just not worth it.

22 February 2020, 01:27 AM	#8
air_king "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: US Posts: 383	I think there is going to be bump in supply due to to situation in China.

22 February 2020, 01:33 AM	#10
franktehtank "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Canada Watch: Sub, GMT Posts: 712	VERY small design refinements, if any, and new movement. That's my prediction for the new sub.

22 February 2020, 01:40 AM	#12
Ravager135 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,134	Predictions are worthless, though if you look at what Rolex has done historically they have always updated the GMT-Master II first and then applied similar updates to the Submariner in the following years. We will probably get a "new" Submariner that won't look much different at all. There will be a subtle redesign of the case that is almost unnoticeable. This already happened with the BLRO and BLNR on Jubilee. They will also probably tweak the movement and improve it slightly. Whether or not they keep certain dial and bezels colors, no one knows.

22 February 2020, 02:58 AM	#17
escobar144 Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: LA Watch: Submariner/DJ 41 Posts: 506	I know its really messed up to say but yeah I think due to the situation in china that the sports models are more readily available here in the U.S. I doubt the submariner will change this year.

22 February 2020, 04:37 AM	#21
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,636	There is really no rhyme or reason to any of this and nobody should draw any conclusions from what they think is being supplied or not supplied.

22 February 2020, 06:33 AM	#24
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 9,710	I've seen a few threads about incoming Subs and Sub Dates. Maybe a few more than this time last year but the forum isn't exactly sloshing with them. Might this be because more people are getting them, or maybe it's because more people are reporting them. What has increased significantly are the number of threads stating that the number of threads reporting Sub and Sub Date arrivals is increasing. I think this has the potential to fuel a false narrative. After all, it's not as if Rolex were making 10 Hulks a year is it? This time last year the death of the BLNR was being predicted (including by me) based on whispers heard and some sketchy circumstantial evidence. Equally loud was the push back saying that the BLNR would not, indeed could not be discontinued. And both sides turned out to be correct. I think Rolex must really love this time of year. Lots of aching ribs in Geneva.

22 February 2020, 06:38 AM	#26
AJMarcus "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: AJ Location: USA Watch: Swiss Posts: 5,205	There’s always a surge on models in the early part of the new year. Right after when prices are increased. Pays for the Holiday advertising of the prior year

22 February 2020, 01:17 PM	#27
Andy C "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Miami Posts: 114	Was on the phone with my AD today discussing a Patek purchase. She mentioned she had a no date sub in the safe. She said it would be gone by end of the day.

22 February 2020, 07:59 PM	#30
Montremoi "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: UE Posts: 421	A Sub has no date.

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