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Old 25 February 2018, 03:59 PM   #31
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Wow. I too have the bolder font. I like it. But I am amazed at how perceptive people are on this site. I would never have noticed.
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Old 25 February 2018, 04:17 PM   #32
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Wow. I too have the bolder font. I like it. But I am amazed at how perceptive people are on this site. I would never have noticed.
I did not notice that at all. However, I just checked and compared the pic of my previous Sub when I got home after purchased the watch then I found it lol
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Old 25 February 2018, 04:21 PM   #33
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Wow. I too have the bolder font. I like it. But I am amazed at how perceptive people are on this site. I would never have noticed.

I never noticed until someone else mentioned it on a different forum. I don’t think it’s that noticeable from a normal viewing distance, but I’m glad I got the new font.




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Old 25 February 2018, 04:51 PM   #34
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Old 25 February 2018, 04:56 PM   #35
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The new font suits the maxicase much better.
I'll give it that much
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Old 25 February 2018, 06:56 PM   #36
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I definitely prefer the thinner more refined cleaner smaller font.
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Old 25 February 2018, 09:11 PM   #37
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Perhaps Rolex is preparing to release an updated Sub with increased diameter? lol
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Old 25 February 2018, 10:00 PM   #38
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Absolutely not kidding. There will come a time, soon, I suspect when the rollover begins so it’s worth checking.
That is simply not possible. A new font change and a new movement are incredibly different. It's not like sneaking the parachrom hairspring in the movement.
Do yo honestly think Rolex would secretly change the movement in arguably the most famous dive watch in history and not tell anyone.

They have already advertised, promoted, and marketed the new movement in their other watches. A new movement in a Submariner is a huge deal, and as usual a giant marketing opportunity. When the divers and dual time watches get the new movement it will be revealed at something big like Basel.

The movement is arguably the single most important aspect of the watch. When it changes, everyone will know and not have to experiment with the power reserve.
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Old 25 February 2018, 10:12 PM   #39
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That is simply not possible. A new font change and a new movement are incredibly different. It's not like sneaking the parachrom hairspring in the movement.
Do yo honestly think Rolex would secretly change the movement in arguably the most famous dive watch in history and not tell anyone.

They have already advertised, promoted, and marketed the new movement in their other watches. A new movement in a Submariner is a huge deal, and as usual a giant marketing opportunity. When the divers and dual time watches get the new movement it will be revealed at something big like Basel.

The movement is arguably the single most important aspect of the watch. When it changes, everyone will know and not have to experiment with the power reserve.
Agreed I don’t think Rolex will keep that one a secret

As to the new font ... I like it and think it suits the maxi dial plots and super case
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Old 25 February 2018, 10:37 PM   #40
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I like the bolder font.
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Old 25 February 2018, 10:49 PM   #41
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I have the new font as well on a fall 2017 Sub C date.
Shall we start referring to them at “Bold font” subs? Haha if they do get updated this year hey that’s a one year run, new flat 4? Haha
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Old 25 February 2018, 10:58 PM   #42
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Perhaps this is in preparation of some Basel releases. You guys will own the very rare 2017-2018transitional sub (old movement, new dial)!

Kidding aside, it is always fascinating how these minor adjustments command such ‘hype’ amongst enthusiasts. Although these are minor, and arguably inconsequential changes, they are relevant because often a watch authenticity is judged (at least at first) by the dial and it is important to document those changes.
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Old 25 February 2018, 11:01 PM   #43
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Didn't they switch over to the 3186 in the 16710 GMT's and not announce it until later? I think it's happened before.
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Old 25 February 2018, 11:06 PM   #44
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Interesting! I bought mine mid last year and it appears to be an in between size of these two fonts


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Old 25 February 2018, 11:07 PM   #45
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There is nothing new about the two font variations. Both have existed for years. I have owned both variations going back to when the 116610LN was introduced.
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Old 25 February 2018, 11:17 PM   #46
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New font on Submariner dial?

Believe it or not, the font changed a small yet key aspect of characters in the words ROLEX & SUBMARINER that had aided one simple aspect in detection of fakes. The new font resembles the same used by aftermarket dial makers and refinishers who re-stamp dials.

The fakirs have overlooked these characters for over a decade. Small matter but it helped anyone seeing just a picture of a dial to suspect and inspect other parts more closely.

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Old 26 February 2018, 12:23 AM   #47
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Hello guys.
I need you guys opinion. I am not a Rolex expert so I am still confusing about this matter.
I just got a new Sub no-date from my local Rolex AD today. What I found is the difference of dial fonts. I compared it with the picture of my old Sub no-date (early 2017).
The letters in "ROLEX" and "SUBMARINER" on the new one become bold and different font as you can see the two pics as below. And "f" in the ft letter and "=" mark is different.

This is the old one I had.



This is the new one I got.


What I am concerning is if my watch is not 2018 one. Or all 2018 Subs have the same dial font with mine? The AD said the watch is 2018 brand new one and they just received it from Rolex. But I have no idea any dial font changes in recent Subs.

Any advice will be truly appreciated.
Thank you for taking your time to read my post.
Rolex has used different fonts in the past with the same dials. Your watch looks great regardless of the different fonts!
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Old 26 February 2018, 12:33 AM   #48
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That is simply not possible. A new font change and a new movement are incredibly different. It's not like sneaking the parachrom hairspring in the movement.
Do yo honestly think Rolex would secretly change the movement in arguably the most famous dive watch in history and not tell anyone.

They have already advertised, promoted, and marketed the new movement in their other watches. A new movement in a Submariner is a huge deal, and as usual a giant marketing opportunity. When the divers and dual time watches get the new movement it will be revealed at something big like Basel.

The movement is arguably the single most important aspect of the watch. When it changes, everyone will know and not have to experiment with the power reserve.
Tell this to those that own a 16710 or a 14060M with upgraded movements.
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Old 26 February 2018, 12:35 AM   #49
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Dial printing varies with Rolex all the time as has been discussed on here before.
Looking at the 2 pics, i think the bottom one has a different ceramic bezel inlay, the numbers look a lot thicker than the top one. Anyone know if Rolex have changed it this year?
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Old 26 February 2018, 12:41 AM   #50
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This is nothing new. Rolex has been producing the “big foot” and “little foot” 6 digit dials for years and they have both been used in Submariners for a long time now.
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Old 26 February 2018, 01:26 AM   #51
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thanks for the info OP, i hadn't seen this before.
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Old 1 March 2020, 11:39 AM   #52
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Old 1 March 2020, 12:16 PM   #53
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Here’s my SubC Date font. Brand new from AD. Summer 2019.


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Old 1 March 2020, 02:29 PM   #54
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Perhaps this is in preparation of some Basel releases. You guys will own the very rare 2017-2018transitional sub (old movement, new dial)!

Kidding aside, it is always fascinating how these minor adjustments command such ‘hype’ amongst enthusiasts. Although these are minor, and arguably inconsequential changes, they are relevant because often a watch authenticity is judged (at least at first) by the dial and it is important to document those changes.
The 'Hype' around minor detail changes is usually started by resellers looking for a 'reason' to inflate the price of their watch.
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Old 1 March 2020, 05:40 PM   #55
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This has been discussed many times over the years.

A quick forum search threw up this (amongst others) old thread on the same subject.

As others have said, I think Rolex have used various font types & spacings between words/letters over the years & there is no rhyme or reason as to which style is on any watch from any particular year.

I think most forum members (me included) would just be happy to get the call from our AD that a watch is available, never mind what style font it has! lol.

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Probably a know site, but anyway nice to read about the variations on the SUB C dial...

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Old 1 March 2020, 10:29 PM   #58
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Thanks for the replies guys. So it's normal anyway.
The dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex, so there will always be tiny deviations to fonts paint etc much like its been over the past 50 odd years but now lupe mania started its noticed more mainly by the obsessive WIS.
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The dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex, so there will always be tiny deviations to fonts paint etc much like its been over the past 50 odd years but now lupe mania started its noticed more mainly by the obsessive WIS.
Are all three in Geneva? I didn’t know that. Pretty interesting stuff.

As far as “loop mania” goes I would’ve never noticed what these guys are talking about. The last couple of new pieces I bought I did loop before I left the boutique just to make sure there was no damage to the case and bracelet.
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Are all three in Geneva? I didn’t know that. Pretty interesting stuff.

As far as “loop mania” goes I would’ve never noticed what these guys are talking about. The last couple of new pieces I bought I did loop before I left the boutique just to make sure there was no damage to the case and bracelet.
They are all in the same area of Switzerland,and even today Rolex dont make there own mainsprings they are outsourced and made by Schwab-Feller AG,plus movement bearings, and cap jewel bearings,crystals,spring-bars etc,and a firm called Aiguilles makes all the watch hands for all models.
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