16234 Legit/Correct Dial Check

[blue17]

Hi all,

Just got a new (to me) DJ36 16234, and after multiple assurances from the seller that nothing had been modified, it appears that the dial is unoriginal to the watch. It has an F14xxxx serial number that if I'm correct, dates it to 2003. However, the dial is a "T Swiss Made T", and the minute track looks more like a late 80s early 90s version.

I'm not hugely concerned, as I've got a few layers of buyer protection here (not including the eBay guarantee, which is unhelpful at best), but any help would be appreciated.

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[Chris]

Hi
This is my 16233 from the same period 2001. Tritium was last used in 1998.


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[blue17]

Great, thank you. I had someone say on another forum that the date looked slightly off. This doesn't really seem to be the case to me, but can anyone confirm?

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by blue17

Great, thank you. I had someone say on another forum that the date looked slightly off. This doesn't really seem to be the case to me, but can anyone confirm?

Date looked distended and elongated to me but I attributed that to just photographic distortion.


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[GGGMT]

My E serial (1990) 16220. T Swiss Made T




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[freefly]

Originally Posted by blue17

Hi all,

Just got a new (to me) DJ36 16234, and after multiple assurances from the seller that nothing had been modified, it appears that the dial is unoriginal to the watch.

You would be correct. Looks like a dial swap and aftermarket crystal.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by blue17

Great, thank you. I had someone say on another forum that the date looked slightly off. This doesn't really seem to be the case to me, but can anyone confirm?

A pic from 2003 16234 sorry about the quality. The extended 7 looks ok to me.

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[blue17]

Originally Posted by freefly

You would be correct. Looks like a dial swap and aftermarket crystal.

Thanks! What's the giveaway on the crystal? The cyclops shape and magnification? I'll use my loupe on it tomorrow to see if there's an etching, but I'm not sure they did those back then.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by blue17

Thanks! What's the giveaway on the crystal? The cyclops shape and magnification? I'll use my loupe on it tomorrow to see if there's an etching, but I'm not sure they did those back then.

I think laser etch started in about 2001 and was pretty much rolled out by 2004


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[GGGMT]

In the bucket of unsolicited guidance,I would return the watch, and buy one from one of the many trusted knowledgeable sellers here Who will get you a piece with integrity, originality, etc. those concepts are super important to me too, and I have purchased three DJ from trusted sellers here all original, all set, box papers, etc.


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[Chris]

Originally Posted by blue17

Hi all,



Just got a new (to me) DJ36 16234, and after multiple assurances from the seller that nothing had been modified, it appears that the dial is unoriginal to the watch. It has an F14xxxx serial number that if I'm correct, dates it to 2003. However, the dial is a "T Swiss Made T", and the minute track looks more like a late 80s early 90s version.



I'm not hugely concerned, as I've got a few layers of buyer protection here (not including the eBay guarantee, which is unhelpful at best), but any help would be appreciated.



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Out of interest how much was the watch? Do you still intend to proceed?

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[blue17]

Originally Posted by Chris

Out of interest how much was the watch? Do you still intend to proceed?

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About $5500 USD after taxes. I haven't made a full decision, but the crystal not being original honestly worries me more than the dial in terms of the long-term integrity of the piece. I'll hold off on bashing the store until I've made a decision though.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by blue17

About $5500 USD after taxes. I haven't made a full decision, but the crystal not being original honestly worries me more than the dial in terms of the long-term integrity of the piece. I'll hold off on bashing the store until I've made a decision though.

Thats a good price about £4100, is it a full set? The crystal is a consumable and can be replaced, im told a lot of the value in a watch is in the dial and hands. I missed out on a similar watch 2 days ago £4100 full set. If that is the one you want can you negotiate on the price?