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marc2828 · 23 March 2018, 03:03 AM

Seems that the new 2018 non blue "Deep Sea" Cameron watch in all black does not get much attention. Do you guys think this watch will be in demand? In May/June you think these will be attainable at or under the $12,250 price?

My thought is that the new DSSD with the blue face will be in huge demand as it has the wider bracelet and the new 3235 movement. I think the older DSSD will drop in value quite a bit once people start posting these two watches side by side. I have tried on the original DSSD and agree with all the complaints about top heaviness and thin band. The new one with the 70 hour power reserve will be a huge hit for those wanting a large format Rolex.

I don't love the blue transition face nor the lime green print and prefer the all black one. And I also don't love the text that says "Original Gas Escape Valve" and "Ring Lock System", but the black version has the same text...so be it.

I do like the larger 44mm size watch over the SD43. I am unsure about the satin black face of the SD43 vs the all black 44mm...need to see them side by side. I think I like the date cyclops on the SD43.

In terms of the SD43 accessibility, I think these will become readily available in May/June as the red line 50th anniversary text is still in production and many 2017 first movers will want to sell to get the new DSSD. Also, Rolex will be pumping these out at US$11,350 vs the cheaper Sub and Sub date models.

thoughts?

thanks,
Marc

DaveDhc · 23 March 2018, 03:09 AM

If you look at the Rolex site and where the new version of the Deep Sea is presented, they also show the black version with the new movement. To me it looks like the changes are for all Deep Sea, not just the blue dialed version. I'd guess that the old stock for this watch would drop in price, especially the black. So it might be worth waiting to get one and then snag a good deal on a pre-2018.

Devildog · 23 March 2018, 03:13 AM

Interesting.

It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything)

Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs.

I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black.

The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits.

Just my thoughts

eonflux · 23 March 2018, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

Interesting.

It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything)

Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs.

I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black.

The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits.

Just my thoughts

Agree that I don't see many moving from the SD43 to the new black DSSD.
The DSSD will still be top heavy. It's essentially slightly altered, not all together transformed--more of an evolutionary change than revolutionary.
Maybe the slightly wider, and perhaps a little heavier, bracelet and clasp will balance out the case a little better, but I doubt it'll be a significant difference in terms of how it wears.

As for appearance, perhaps that's a more significant change with the wider bracelet.
But when switching from my DSSD to SubC to GMTC, the differences in lug width, bracelet-to-case proportions, etc, and even weight and balance, are ultimately not a big deal.

brandrea · 23 March 2018, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

Interesting.

It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything)

Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs.

I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black.

The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits.

Just my thoughts

This ^^^

The only reason I own the Dblue is for the dial. If it were black, I'd simple own the SD43 and call it a day.

Obviously I don't have the "new" Dblue but I'm curious to see how it fits, compared to my current MK1.

The Sd43 is probably the best Rolex diver IMO ... ok it IS the best

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904VT · 23 March 2018, 03:36 AM

One feature I haven't seen mentioned much is that Rolex redesigned the DSSD version of the Glidelock. Impressive they didn't just slap the Glidelock on from the SD43 and be done with it. They spent the time and money to develop a new one. The DSSD Glidelock clasp is amazing for those who haven't had a chance to experience.

marc2828 · 23 March 2018, 03:41 AM

I was not aware the new Deep Seas had a different better glidelock over the SD43. Can someone elaborate on the differences? Thanks.

AK797 · 23 March 2018, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

Interesting.

It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything)

Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs.

I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black.

The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits.

Just my thoughts

Isn't it 2mm wider bracelet from 20 to 22mm? Sure I saw that on a vid.

Devildog · 23 March 2018, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

Isn't it 2mm wider bracelet from 20 to 22mm? Sure I saw that on a vid.

It’s definitely now 22 Neil but I recall a member here (Alpino) confirming from the catalogue that the previous bracelet was actually 21 mm and not 20 mm as we all thought.

Could be wrong though

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Rashid.bk · 23 March 2018, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc2828

I was not aware the new Deep Seas had a different better glidelock over the SD43. Can someone elaborate on the differences? Thanks.

The Deepseas have a more advanced and easier glidelock that allows for greater adjustment in addition to being able to actually do it without taking the watch off.
I would post pics but it's a pain to reduce and post photos, just google it.
I prefer the Deepsea's glidelock.

Rashid.bk · 23 March 2018, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

It’s definitely now 22 Neil but I recall a member here (Alpino) confirming from the catalogue that the previous bracelet was actually 21 mm and not 20 mm as we all thought.

Could be wrong though

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Nope, the Deepsea has always had a 21mm lug width. One of the Basel 2018 videos provides the wrong info.

AK797 · 23 March 2018, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

It’s definitely now 22 Neil but I recall a member here (Alpino) confirming from the catalogue that the previous bracelet was actually 21 mm and not 20 mm as we all thought.

Could be wrong though

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Nope, the Deepsea has always had a 21mm lug width. One of the Basel 2018 videos provides the wrong info.

Makes sense, thought 2mm was a bit drastic.

gt0279a · 23 March 2018, 04:20 AM

new DSSD & SD43 - 22mm Lugs, tapering to 16.5mm links
vs.
old DSSD - 21mm Lugs, tapering to 15.5mm links

My impression from the info is the ratcheting glidelock may be gone.

Devildog · 23 March 2018, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt0279a

22mm Lugs, tapering to 16.5mm links
vs.
21mm Lugs, tapering to 15.5mm links

My impression from the info is the ratcheting glidelock may be gone.

No, it’s still there

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Bobby T · 23 March 2018, 04:22 AM

The SD43 is so close to perfect, I can't see many owners of the watch flipping it for a new DSSD which is thicker and a 1MM larger case......what would be the point?? Its certainly not a better watch......merely bigger and thicker. I would though, pick up the original DSSD, at a reduced pre-owned price, if the drop is significant enough.

Rashid.bk · 23 March 2018, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt0279a

new DSSD & SD43 - 22mm Lugs, tapering to 16.5mm links
vs.
old DSSD - 21mm Lugs, tapering to 15.5mm links

My impression from the info is the ratcheting glidelock may be gone.

It's still there. It even shows it on the Rolex website.

Ad11wrd · 23 March 2018, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

Interesting.

It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything)

Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs.

I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black.

The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits.

Just my thoughts

gt0279a · 23 March 2018, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

It's still there. It even shows it on the Rolex website.

I see it now:

rudestew · 23 March 2018, 04:51 AM

Youll have to grow your nails to use it ! i much prefer my glidlock on the sub & SD, i end up taking the deepsea off to adjust and wonder about all the pivot points that could go wrong and the simple sub/SD glidlock is almost idiot proof .......Almost

Clay · 23 March 2018, 05:07 AM

As many have said, the DeepSea is not for everyone mainly do to it's size...

But there are those who love the watch...

I have a Black dial DeepSea that I wear all day every day (in fact it's now the only watch I own) and could not be happier...

All of the negatives that have been associated with this watch, narrow bracelet, too wide, too thick, to heavy, etc etc etc...I find simply not to be true...

This of course is only my opinion, but I find the watch to be not only beautiful to look at, but a pleasure to wear...

As comfortable as any Rolex I have had over the last 40 years...

And keep in mind that most people who do not like the watch, have never worn it for any length of time...

As for the NEW Sea Dweller, I think it's apples and oranges...Plenty of room in a collection for both...

morimotom · 23 March 2018, 05:14 AM

I recently picked up an SD43 and love the way it wears. The new DSSD is definitely more balanced in appearance and wearability than the previous models imo, but I would not pick it over the 43.

If funds permitted I wouldn’t mind having both, but since I have to pick I choose the SD43.

mactruck · 23 March 2018, 05:18 AM

I was diving to retrieve a gold bar that fell out of a ship. I got all the way down to the bottom wearing my SD50 and I couldn't grab it because it was 4001ft down. It was just a foot away. I had to come back up and leave. Had I had the DeepSea I would be rich.

904VT · 23 March 2018, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

It's still there. It even shows it on the Rolex website.

This remains my biggest disappointment and an omission from the SD43. I was really hoping Rolex would include the DSSD edition of the Glidelock at its new, increased price point. I've grown to like the cyclops a lot actually, but was not an initial fan. It looks great with the matte black dial.

It must be an expensive addition at the depth rating.

The addition of the DSSD Glidelock on the SD43, would've perhaps crushed the rest of the Diver line, so I could see the reason for the omission.

marc2828 · 23 March 2018, 05:23 AM

great comments and information. Thanks to all for replying....like the gold bar comment...funny!

904VT · 23 March 2018, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mactruck

I was diving to retrieve a gold bar that fell out of a ship. I got all the way down to the bottom wearing my SD50 and I couldn't grab it because it was 4001ft down. It was just a foot away. I had to come back up and leave. Had I had the DeepSea I would be rich.

You should've reached down with your non watch hand while, holding your watch hand up towards the surface. Would've gave you and additional 4 or 5 feet of reach to 4,005 or 4,006 feet with your SD43

watchwatcher · 23 March 2018, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

The Sd43 is probably the best Rolex diver IMO ... ok it IS the best

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Agreed, Brian.

mactruck · 23 March 2018, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 904VT

You should've reached down with your non watch hand while, holding your watch hand up towards the surface. Would've gave you and additional 4 or 5 feet of reach to 4,005 or 4,006 feet with your SD43

Damn, wish I had thought of that. Next time.

brandrea · 23 March 2018, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mactruck

Damn, wish I had thought of that. Next time.

It's ok ... Rolex rates their watces to 20% more than advertised

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23 March 2018, 03:03 AM	#1
marc2828 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Marc Location: NJ Watch: AP,LV,SD43,PAMs Posts: 716	SD43 vs. New Black 44mm Deep Sea Seems that the new 2018 non blue "Deep Sea" Cameron watch in all black does not get much attention. Do you guys think this watch will be in demand? In May/June you think these will be attainable at or under the $12,250 price? My thought is that the new DSSD with the blue face will be in huge demand as it has the wider bracelet and the new 3235 movement. I think the older DSSD will drop in value quite a bit once people start posting these two watches side by side. I have tried on the original DSSD and agree with all the complaints about top heaviness and thin band. The new one with the 70 hour power reserve will be a huge hit for those wanting a large format Rolex. I don't love the blue transition face nor the lime green print and prefer the all black one. And I also don't love the text that says "Original Gas Escape Valve" and "Ring Lock System", but the black version has the same text...so be it. I do like the larger 44mm size watch over the SD43. I am unsure about the satin black face of the SD43 vs the all black 44mm...need to see them side by side. I think I like the date cyclops on the SD43. In terms of the SD43 accessibility, I think these will become readily available in May/June as the red line 50th anniversary text is still in production and many 2017 first movers will want to sell to get the new DSSD. Also, Rolex will be pumping these out at US$11,350 vs the cheaper Sub and Sub date models. thoughts? thanks, Marc

23 March 2018, 03:13 AM	#3
Devildog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: UK Watch: ^^^ for now Posts: 5,638	Interesting. It may have updated lugs and a 1mm wider bracelet, but the Deepsea is still not for everyone (due to is thickness more than anything) Personally I can't see many (if any) SD43 owners selling to buy a new DSSD. Why would they? THe SD43 has had the new movement since launch. Its got the widser bracelet already, and the slimmer lugs. I suspect the SD43 will continue to be more sought after than the DSSD black. The D Blue dial is quite special. Arguably more so than the watch in which it sits. Just my thoughts __________________ Past: 6239 (yes, I know...), 16610, 16600, 116515, 116613LN, 126600, 126711 CHNR Present: 16600, 116509, Cartier Santos Green.

23 March 2018, 04:20 AM	#13
gt0279a "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Steve Location: Georgia Watch: All of them Posts: 569	new DSSD & SD43 - 22mm Lugs, tapering to 16.5mm links vs. old DSSD - 21mm Lugs, tapering to 15.5mm links My impression from the info is the ratcheting glidelock may be gone. __________________ Current: Rolex Daytona 116500 \| Rolex Submariner 116610 \| Zenith El Primero 03.2150.400/69 Past: Rolex Sea Dweller 126600 \| Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 \| Rolex Sea Dweller 16600 \| Rolex Submariner 16610 \| Rolex Submariner 1680

23 March 2018, 03:09 AM	#2
DaveDhc "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Washington DC Posts: 222	If you look at the Rolex site and where the new version of the Deep Sea is presented, they also show the black version with the new movement. To me it looks like the changes are for all Deep Sea, not just the blue dialed version. I'd guess that the old stock for this watch would drop in price, especially the black. So it might be worth waiting to get one and then snag a good deal on a pre-2018.

23 March 2018, 03:36 AM	#6
904VT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: USA Watch: All Rolex Posts: 6,976	One feature I haven't seen mentioned much is that Rolex redesigned the DSSD version of the Glidelock. Impressive they didn't just slap the Glidelock on from the SD43 and be done with it. They spent the time and money to develop a new one. The DSSD Glidelock clasp is amazing for those who haven't had a chance to experience.

23 March 2018, 03:41 AM	#7
marc2828 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Marc Location: NJ Watch: AP,LV,SD43,PAMs Posts: 716	I was not aware the new Deep Seas had a different better glidelock over the SD43. Can someone elaborate on the differences? Thanks.

23 March 2018, 04:22 AM	#15
Bobby T Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 934	The SD43 is so close to perfect, I can't see many owners of the watch flipping it for a new DSSD which is thicker and a 1MM larger case......what would be the point?? Its certainly not a better watch......merely bigger and thicker. I would though, pick up the original DSSD, at a reduced pre-owned price, if the drop is significant enough.

23 March 2018, 04:51 AM	#19
rudestew "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK Bristol Watch: DSSD SD43 Mk1 50TH Posts: 1,247	Youll have to grow your nails to use it ! i much prefer my glidlock on the sub & SD, i end up taking the deepsea off to adjust and wonder about all the pivot points that could go wrong and the simple sub/SD glidlock is almost idiot proof .......Almost

23 March 2018, 05:07 AM	#20
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	As many have said, the DeepSea is not for everyone mainly do to it's size... But there are those who love the watch... I have a Black dial DeepSea that I wear all day every day (in fact it's now the only watch I own) and could not be happier... All of the negatives that have been associated with this watch, narrow bracelet, too wide, too thick, to heavy, etc etc etc...I find simply not to be true... This of course is only my opinion, but I find the watch to be not only beautiful to look at, but a pleasure to wear... As comfortable as any Rolex I have had over the last 40 years... And keep in mind that most people who do not like the watch, have never worn it for any length of time... As for the NEW Sea Dweller, I think it's apples and oranges...Plenty of room in a collection for both...

23 March 2018, 05:14 AM	#21
morimotom "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mark Location: Los Angeles Watch: SD43 Posts: 312	I recently picked up an SD43 and love the way it wears. The new DSSD is definitely more balanced in appearance and wearability than the previous models imo, but I would not pick it over the 43. If funds permitted I wouldn’t mind having both, but since I have to pick I choose the SD43.

23 March 2018, 05:18 AM	#22
mactruck "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Washinton D.C. Posts: 614	I was diving to retrieve a gold bar that fell out of a ship. I got all the way down to the bottom wearing my SD50 and I couldn't grab it because it was 4001ft down. It was just a foot away. I had to come back up and leave. Had I had the DeepSea I would be rich.

23 March 2018, 05:23 AM	#24
marc2828 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Marc Location: NJ Watch: AP,LV,SD43,PAMs Posts: 716	great comments and information. Thanks to all for replying....like the gold bar comment...funny!

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