Rolex 6263

[john30]

Hello everyone, I have recently purchased my first ever vintage watch, and its a black dial Daytona 6263 Big Red. I have read a lot about vintage Rolex in the past but I still can't tell just by looking at them the condition of the watch itself. So I have signed up on this forum to ask some experts on here what you think about it (sorry if the photos are not clear enough). I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

[john30]

Would greatly appreciate any help or feedback. Thanks!

[Wiener48]

John hello. Any papers with the watch?

Good choice, I really like the 6263, Big Red in special!

I am sure you will get good answers

[soxfan39]

very nice! Don't really care of the new Daytona's but the vintage are sweet

[john30]

Originally Posted by Wiener48

John hello. Any papers with the watch?

Good choice, I really like the 6263, Big Red in special!

I am sure you will get good answers

Hello, yes the original papers with the watch as well. Thanks!

[john30]

Originally Posted by soxfan39

very nice! Don't really care of the new Daytona's but the vintage are sweet

Thanks! What do you think about the condition of the watch?

[harrison_cheng]

I would say it is pretty good condition. Nice case and dial.

[john30]

Originally Posted by harrison_cheng

I would say it is pretty good condition. Nice case and dial.

Thank you! What do you think of the bezel and lume plots? There is a tiny dot on 5 o'clock lume.

[john30]

Also, the original paper of the watch is dated 1981, would be great to know if that seem like correct period for this watch. Thanks!

[harrison_cheng]

Originally Posted by john30

Thank you! What do you think of the bezel and lume plots? There is a tiny dot on 5 o'clock lume.

It is ok with me only if it is original lume and bezel look like they are.

[swish77]

Congrats! Can you post a photo of the guarantee paper? Any photos of the movement?

Looks as if the hands have been relumed. See how they’re greeeish and don’t match the patina on the hour plots? I bet they glow a little, and if you shined a black light on them, the lume material on the hands would look different than the hour plots, which are nice and fat.

The little dot/discoloration on the plot at 5 o’clock is super, super minor. I wouldn’t worry about that. And the slight discoloration on the subdials is very common on the black 6263s.

[Ignace Worang]

Great assessment..... and congrats to op.....great watch

Originally Posted by swish77

Congrats! Can you post a photo of the guarantee paper? Any photos of the movement?

Looks as if the hands have been relumed. See how they’re greeeish and don’t match the patina on the hour plots? I bet they glow a little, and if you shined a black light on them, the lume material on the hands would look different than the hour plots, which are nice and fat.

The little dot/discoloration on the plot at 5 o’clock is super, super minor. I wouldn’t worry about that. And the slight discoloration on the subdials is very common on the black 6263s.

[Wiener48]

So OK, value of the watch?

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Wiener48

So OK, value of the watch?

I’d like to see the full set and movement, but assuming all original and good working order, with correct punched Rolex paper, manuals, boxes, etc... I’d say current market value in the neighborhood of $100K, even with the relumed hands and slight condition issues, including the aged/damaged bezel.

There’s a nice 4-mil. black sigma Big Red 6263 on Keystone right now with replaced pushers (not mentioned) and the punched guarantee paper, and they’re asking $125K. Yikes!

[V.lats97nsx]

Value also depends on punched papers or written.

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[springer]

Originally Posted by v.lats97nsx

Value also depends on punched papers or written.

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Hand written warranty papers weren't that uncommon back in the day - it's just a warranty paper providing extra "piece of mind"
to the buyer - just like most goods then and now.

Below are some examples from my library of warranty papers.

[V.lats97nsx]

Originally Posted by springer

What's wrong with hand written papers? It's not like it was that uncommon back in the day - it's just a warranty paper, some extra swag for the buyer.

I would personally take punched papers over written. My opinion punched papers add more value than written papers. I'm not degrading written papers I just think the amount of blank warranty papers out there for sale will concern Buyers who will pay 100k for a full kit instead of 70.

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[john30]

Originally Posted by swish77

Congrats! Can you post a photo of the guarantee paper? Any photos of the movement?

Looks as if the hands have been relumed. See how they’re greeeish and don’t match the patina on the hour plots? I bet they glow a little, and if you shined a black light on them, the lume material on the hands would look different than the hour plots, which are nice and fat.

The little dot/discoloration on the plot at 5 o’clock is super, super minor. I wouldn’t worry about that. And the slight discoloration on the subdials is very common on the black 6263s.

Thank you! This is the photo of the full set, what do you think?

[roh123]

Originally Posted by swish77

I’d like to see the full set and movement, but assuming all original and good working order, with correct punched Rolex paper, manuals, boxes, etc... I’d say current market value in the neighborhood of $100K, even with the relumed hands and slight condition issues, including the aged/damaged bezel.

There’s a nice 4-mil. black sigma Big Red 6263 on Keystone right now with replaced pushers (not mentioned) and the punched guarantee paper, and they’re asking $125K. Yikes!

The big red sigma is rare and much more expensive than a standard one. Wrong pushers is about 1500usd so not really a big deal as they are widely available. Should of course till be stated and hopefully it is mentioned to those interested in the piece. Also it is a public dealer ask price. It will sell cheaper. :)

I think 100k is too much for this one. Still a nice watch of course.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by roh123

The big red sigma is rare and much more expensive than a standard one. Wrong pushers is about 1500usd so not really a big deal as they are widely available. Should of course till be stated and hopefully it is mentioned to those interested in the piece. Also it is a public dealer ask price. It will sell cheaper. :)

I think 100k is too much for this one. Still a nice watch of course.

Fair points, although a sigma dial doesn't impress me when you're in this price range already. You're paying for a Big Red Daytona 6263, and that added detail of a sigma dial is nice, but it almost seems besides the point, IMHO. Just because they're more rare doesn't mean they're worth a lot more, not to me anyway. But I'm also not impressed by things like "rail dials" and "meters-first," so maybe I'm in the minority. Originality, clean dials, matching patina and fat cases are far more important than those other little details.

I actually had a chance to buy a sigma dial 6263 just before I bought my non-sigma 6263, which I chose because it was in better overall condition (and also came as a super full set).

Also, I think you'd find that tracking down a good set of used MK2 pushers is not that easy. It could be done, of course, eventually, but I don't think they grow on trees.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by swish77

Fair points, although a sigma dial doesn't impress me when you're in this price range already. You're paying for a Big Red Daytona 6263, and that added detail of a sigma dial is nice, but it almost seems besides the point, IMHO. Just because they're more rare doesn't mean they're worth a lot more, not to me anyway. But I'm also not impressed by things like "rail dials" and "meters-first," so maybe I'm in the minority. Originality, clean dials, matching patina and fat cases are far more important than those other little details.

I actually had a chance to buy a sigma dial 6263 just before I bought my non-sigma 6263, which I chose because it was in better overall condition (and also came as a super full set).

Also, I think you'd find that tracking down a good set of used MK2 pushers is not that easy. It could be done, of course, eventually, but I don't think they grow on trees.

They are around. A lot of old watch makers still have these parts available as it was a standard part to change during service. Trust me.

Rarity is of course important and a mint sigma big red commands a much higher price than a standard big red. I wouldn’t either pay for it but that doesn’t mean they aren’t worth much more.

Overall the market is moving more and more into condition and you can basically pay double the money for a mint example than a fairly good one. With condition being the main factor mint examples of rare or unique configurations will of course become even more crazy as long as the condition is the best available.

[Wiener48]

I would say, buy all good 62xx you can get!
Best looking watches and best investment also.

[Wiener48]

Originally Posted by john30

Thank you! This is the photo of the full set, what do you think?

Perfect!!!

[swish77]

Originally Posted by john30

Thank you! This is the photo of the full set, what do you think?

The guarantee paper looks OK for a U.S.-sold 6263 from the section shown in the photo, but the box is incorrect and the translation booklet is for a chronometer-rated Rolex, so that’s also incorrect for the steel 6263, which is not a chronometer. (The gold version was chronometer-rated, I believe.)

Did the seller say these items were all original to the watch? No manuals?

[SgWatchBaron]

Hands may have been relumed. But overall fantastic piece... Even retaining the MK 2 pushers!

[Wiener48]

6263 - still my top favorite watch!

[Mersey]

Looks very nice. Congratulations!!