submariner question

[rangel23]

does anyone think the submariner could be in for a makeover. i was thinking more like the 116710 with new clasp and ceramic bezel?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

I personally believe that the Sub will be updated, at least with a ceramic bezel, but as always ONLY Rolex knows, so we will have to wait and see.

[mike]

Well, I'd say it's about a sure thing. Many consider the Sub family the flagship of the sports line. There's just no way Rolex would change the GMT with inclusion of the maxi dial upgraded movement, clasp, etc.... and not do the same for the sub.

I tend to think change will come sooner rather than later. The 16610 is an old reference. The question I wrestle with is will it be 42MM??

[f16570]

It will happen in my opinion. Progress apparently.

f

[Perdu]

Almost certain I would think.

[frostie]

Basel is the answer for you my friend. Time will tell

[abr68]

100 % sure!

Question for me is:

1. Change from 16520 has been done with an "own" movement
2. GMTc is done
3. Me personally expect change with Sub

but

what will happen with the other Sport models such as Explorer, Sea-Dweller?

[David1971]

Here is a pic of how the "116610" could look like.

-David

[gmt 16750]

I, personally don't think Rolex has a choice...
Take the 'old' Sub and GMT:
GMT had Twinlock crown and Bi-bezel etc..
Sub had Triplock crown and Uni-bezel etc..
i.e. - the watches were quite different in

Now the new GMT has a chunky case, Triplock crown, lovely bezel movement etc.. Rolex has to make come significant changes to the Sub otherwise how can it be regarded as a rugged Divers watch? (this is compared to the new GMT and is my humble opinion only - don't get me wrong here, the current Sub is still a fantastic watch).
Time will tell

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by mike

Well, I'd say it's about a sure thing. Many consider the Sub family the flagship of the sports line. There's just no way Rolex would change the GMT with inclusion of the maxi dial upgraded movement, clasp, etc.... and not do the same for the sub.

I tend to think change will come sooner rather than later. The 16610 is an old reference. The question I wrestle with is will it be 42MM??

Mike I´ve been thinking of one thing. I believe maybe the Sub & SD
will still have the brushed surface at the case and bracelet.
It will still have the diver extension link so the new look at the
clasp maybe not will happend. And the ceramic bezel is a scratch
magnet so maybe it don´t belong to a diver watch.

It´s just what I´ve been thinking about, make sense to you?

Jocke

[mike]

Originally Posted by Jocke

Mike I´ve been thinking of one thing. I believe maybe the Sub & SD
will still have the brushed surface at the case and bracelet.
It will still have the diver extension link so the new look at the
clasp maybe not will happend. And the ceramic bezel is a scratch
magnet so maybe it don´t belong to a diver watch.

It´s just what I´ve been thinking about, make sense to you?

Jocke

Jocke I'm not totally convinced Rolex would use a polished centerlink bracelet on a new Sub or SD. I hasten to add I have NO idea if they will but for two reasons I could see why they wouldn't.

1. The enviornment the Sub and SD were/are designed for is much less forgiving than the cockpit of an airplane.
2. I'm not a diver but it's my understanding flashy things underwater attract things that bite. LOL!
Maybe Rolex is working on an answer but it seems putting an extension link and an easy out feature in the same clasp is a lot so you might be right. Though I think we will see solid links.

As far as the ceramic... My understanding it's supposed to be more resistant to marring. However, one thing I have noticed with the GMT IIc is the tendency for the insert to vary between a pewter to black coloring under different lighting conditions.
I wonder how this would affect readability under water in lighting that could be less than ideal.

Of course this is assuming functionality plays a part in the overall thought that would go into a new diving reference.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by mike

Jocke I'm not totally convinced Rolex would use a polished centerlink bracelet on a new Sub or SD. I hasten to add I have NO idea if they will but for two reasons I could see why they wouldn't.

1. The enviornment the Sub and SD were/are designed for is much less forgiving than the cockpit of an airplane.
2. I'm not a diver but it's my understanding flashy things underwater attract things that bite. LOL!
Maybe Rolex is working on an answer but it seems putting an extension link and an easy out feature in the same clasp is a lot so you might be right. Though I think we will see solid links.

As far as the ceramic... My understanding it's supposed to be more resistant to marring. However, one thing I have noticed with the GMT IIc is the tendency for the insert to vary between a pewter to black coloring under different lighting conditions.
I wonder how this would affect readability under water in lighting that could be less than ideal.

Of course this is assuming functionality plays a part in the overall thought that would go into a new diving reference.

We have to see what happends next year. My tickets to Basel
is in my safe.

Jocke

[mike]

Originally Posted by Jocke

We have to see what happends next year. My tickets to Basel
is in my safe.

Jocke

Wish I could be there my friend! Can't wait for your excellent report!!

[SSD]

Originally Posted by f16570

It will happen in my opinion. Progress apparently.

f

Yes. Unfortunately. The only change I'd genuinely like to see would be the bleu hairspring. The rest, for me is unnecessary. I like mine as-is! Something I haven't read before: ceramic bezels scratch easily?!?

[sharif]

I predict, the Sub upgrades wil definately happen within 2 years...starting with the solid Gold sub...then two tone...then SS.....same patterns as the GMT. :)

As for the ceramic bezel being more scratch prone...and don't think that is correct. The annodized bezel insert on the sub seemed to scratch pretty easy on mine. Not something you can see from a distance, but a close inspection would reveal them.

Mike, you brought up a very good point in regards to the polished center links reflecting light under water, and possibly attracting things. I would agree with, if Rolex had decided not to polished the bracelt sides on the SD...but they did.

I would be remiss without mentioning, that Rolex is the KING of consistency in their lineup, so I would expect the new Sub to have ALL of the characteristics of the new style GMT...and maybe a few other small features. Either way, I think it will be an amazing looking upgrade for the sub, while still keeping it true to its roots.

[Texsubmariner]

I too have a feeling that the Sub and SD will undergo changes soon, hopefully will be done tastefully by Rolex. I still don't like the oversized numbers on the bezel of the new GMT IIc. However, I have to admit that other changes will be welcomed by me, such as solid center links, parachrom hairspring, better case, ceramic bezel (which is more scratch resistant, BTW). There was a post on here recently about a GMT IIc submitted to harsh conditions, and many scratches were on the case, but the bezel has no scratch.

[SSonly]

Originally Posted by mike

Well, I'd say it's about a sure thing. Many consider the Sub family the flagship of the sports line. There's just no way Rolex would change the GMT with inclusion of the maxi dial upgraded movement, clasp, etc.... and not do the same for the sub.

I tend to think change will come sooner rather than later. The 16610 is an old reference. The question I wrestle with is will it be 42MM??

I dont think Rolex will ever produce a 42 mm.I read recently that before launching the new Cellini Prince, Rolex did a "survey/study" to know the average wrist measure.I guess there is too much prestige and money involved into this to fail in ergonomics.I bet no 42 mm will ever come from Rolex.