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Old 11 April 2017, 12:32 PM   #1
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

I can't stand the fact that I risk damaging my GMT by using anything but a great set of these tweezers. I ordered them out of Oakland CA. That was the only US company I could find that had them. I try not to shop Ebay if I can avoid it. Now the wait for them to arrive so I can swap out straps and bracelets on my own.

Do I need to mask the lugs with tape with these?
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Old 11 April 2017, 12:35 PM   #2
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I do. It takes a few seconds and protects against any mishap.
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Old 12 April 2017, 05:48 AM   #3
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

This are my tool

Yes you need to use masking tape as a protection

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Old 12 April 2017, 06:51 AM   #4
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I've been torn between this more complete tool and the general bergeon tweezers.

Any pro and con, one over the other?

Would you mind providing the link / company name where you ordered?

Thank you.
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Old 12 April 2017, 07:06 AM   #5
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

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I've been torn between this more complete tool and the general bergeon tweezers.

Any pro and con, one over the other?

Would you mind providing the link / company name where you ordered?

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Bought it here 2 years ago

http://www.ofrei.com/

The advantage of these than tweezers is that you can micro adjust accurately opening /width of those 2 forks. Based on the width of the lugs.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:20 PM   #6
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Also you can tighten those tweezers so they stay clamped on the springbar. Sometimes when you squeeze the springbar ends, if your angle is slightly off the forks on the tweezers will snap off since they're not sitting perfectly on the springbar collars. So with those, once I get them clamped nicely I'll just tighten the screw so they'll stay clamped and then remove the springbar with the bracelet.

Not sure if that's the correct way to use them though.

Also I probably broke down that process a little more than I had too. I was pretty OCD about replacing my blnr bracelet. Now it's not that big of deal.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:33 PM   #7
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I have the 7825 and love it. So much easier than doing one side at a time, and less risk of damaging the case.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:36 PM   #8
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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:50 PM   #9
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Are the forks that come with 6825PF 1.1mm wide and needed to file down on both side before you can use on Rolex?
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:50 PM   #10
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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
The 7825 is better for Rolex. It has worked flawlessly for me on any 5 or 6 digit Rolex and also any Tudor..... You can rest assured.
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:03 AM   #11
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I too just bought the 7825 from Ofrei, received last friday and couldn't be happier, works perfectly.
I am a firm believer in using the right (quality) tool for the job for efficiency and damage avoidance and this fit the bill.
Unfortunately it is pricey, have you guys noticed the complete tool is $150 and replacement tips are $130??
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:15 AM   #12
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Good practice with the 6767 (fine fork tip for no-hole lugs; probe for older lugs) gave better outcomes in my experience. You can tape the lugs but over time you'll not need to do that.
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:24 AM   #13
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I ordered mine on eBay but couldn't find any in the U.S. unfortunately. I'm still waiting for it to be delivered..
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:46 AM   #14
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I have a hard time with this.

I bought a knock off tool for sub $50 from Asia - same thing exactly as the 6825 - but I'm horrible. I can't pinch the pin long enough to insert the bracelet in the head.

I bought he bullet and bought the 7825 for $170 - we'll see if it's any easier.
I hope it is, but probably not.

And I mean, mis handle the tweezer and the pin pops out and flies across the room into a shag carpet type of pain in the neck.
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Old 13 April 2017, 02:01 AM   #15
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Do I need to mask the lugs with tape with these?
No, you don't need tape as the springbar will never touch the case. Get a case cushion too, it's makes the job 100 times easier as you need have the endlink pressed firmly into the case cushion which means holding the watch head at a 45 angle as you compress the springbar.

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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
The FF forks (the finest available) don't fit Rolex unless you file them down, so no, I wouldn't say it's better

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I have a hard time with this.

I bought a knock off tool for sub $50 from Asia - same thing exactly as the 6825 - but I'm horrible. I can't pinch the pin long enough to insert the bracelet in the head.

I bought he bullet and bought the 7825 for $170 - we'll see if it's any easier.
I hope it is, but probably not.

And I mean, mis handle the tweezer and the pin pops out and flies across the room into a shag carpet type of pain in the neck.
Get a case cushion. The small amount of give in the case cushion lets you position and hold the endlink correctly.
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Old 13 April 2017, 03:32 AM   #16
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the 7825 and 3200 work the best in my experience: some of the others are too wide to fit the slot in the endlink.
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Old 13 April 2017, 03:48 AM   #17
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Does the 7825 work well on the Speedy Pro?
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Old 13 April 2017, 03:52 AM   #18
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7825 for me. However, I have much more experience using the 6767, so still getting the hang of using the 7825.
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Old 13 April 2017, 04:50 AM   #19
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The 6825-PF does not fit a DSSD - I tried this on my watch at the Oakland store. Not sure about the 40mm models.
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Old 13 April 2017, 04:53 AM   #20
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Horofix is a better buy http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/
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Old 13 April 2017, 05:18 AM   #21
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I do. It takes a few seconds and protects against any mishap.
^^^ this - why take the chance
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:04 AM   #22
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I'm thinking to buy this but hearing complaints that fork tips break often. Does this work on regular Omega, Tudor and Rolex bracelets and lot of other bracelets?
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:12 AM   #23
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I'm thinking to buy this but hearing complaints that fork tips break often. Does this work on regular Omega, Tudor and Rolex bracelets and lot of other bracelets?
Yes it does. In all honestly any v-fork spring bar tool will work if you have the correct spring bars with double flanges. And if it has drilled lugs then you can use a push pin.
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:23 AM   #24
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Yes it does. In all honestly any v-fork spring bar tool will work if you have the correct spring bars with double flanges. And if it has drilled lugs then you can use a push pin.
thanks... looks like need to order one now!
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I'm thinking to buy this but hearing complaints that fork tips break often. Does this work on regular Omega, Tudor and Rolex bracelets and lot of other bracelets?
Don't go cheap, spend another $80 or so and get the Burgeon. Why spend $9k on a watch and then go cheap on the springbar tool? If those tips break (and it'll only happen while your changing a bracelet) you'll gouge your watch. Is the risk worth the $80 saving?
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Don't go cheap, spend another $80 or so and get the Burgeon. Why spend $9k on a watch and then go cheap on the springbar tool? If those tips break (and it'll only happen while your changing a bracelet) you'll gouge your watch. Is the risk worth the $80 saving?
Yeah I get it. The point here is I don't need it for Rolex at all, prefer the bracelets on Rolex. It is for Omega, Tudor and other cheaper watches. I just wanted 1 which covers all the generic brands too instead just 1 high-end brand. I understand that Bergeon 7825 is best tool but works mostly for Rolex, so looking for Bergeon 6825 and Horofix is the same version of 6825.
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Don't go cheap, spend another $80 or so and get the Burgeon. Why spend $9k on a watch and then go cheap on the springbar tool? If those tips break (and it'll only happen while your changing a bracelet) you'll gouge your watch. Is the risk worth the $80 saving?
If you tape the lugs on a watch there shouldn't be any issues. And breaking a tip on tool does not gouge the case on it. The tip will be on the inside of the lug against the bracelet. So I am not sure where case gouging comes into play.

And Bergegon tools are not the best tools made.
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And Bergegon tools are not the best tools made.
What are the best tools made for this type of thing? Thanks!
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Yeah I get it. The point here is I don't need it for Rolex at all, prefer the bracelets on Rolex. It is for Omega, Tudor and other cheaper watches. I just wanted 1 which covers all the generic brands too instead just 1 high-end brand. I understand that Bergeon 7825 is best tool but works mostly for Rolex, so looking for Bergeon 6825 and Horofix is the same version of 6825.
I'd get the 6825 then.

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If you tape the lugs on a watch there shouldn't be any issues. And breaking a tip on tool does not gouge the case on it. The tip will be on the inside of the lug against the bracelet. So I am not sure where case gouging comes into play.

And Bergegon tools are not the best tools made.

If you need to tape the lugs when using springbar pliers then you aren't using them properly. I didn't specifically mention the case, as a broken tip will most likely scratch the endlink or bracelet but the case is also at risk as you'd lose your grip. Why risk it?

I've used Bergeon for years and have never had a broken tip, but I'm always happy to hear about other quality tools. What would you suggest?
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What are the best tools made for this type of thing? Thanks!
Honestly it varies for each spring bar that is used for a watch. For instance if you use Seiko Fat Bars then nothing is perfect. The don't have double flanges so they suck getting them out. The newer Tudors have super tight clearances, to the Horofix I posted about works great on them. Drilled lugs a push pin works the best. Older Rolex's with single flange spring bars work best if they use a small v-fork tool. There so many variables and there is no perfect tool for every watch.

Hell in all honesty patience, steady hands, head mounted magnifier, tape (if your steadiness sucks like mine does) and a decent tool works the best. Not mention a shot of whiskey.
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