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Old 15 April 2017, 05:16 AM   #31
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If you need to tape the lugs when using springbar pliers then you aren't using them properly. I didn't specifically mention the case, as a broken tip will most likely scratch the endlink or bracelet but the case is also at risk as you'd lose your grip. Why risk it?
I agree with this. So if someone used tape (I personally dont') then it would limit any scratches for certain. Regardless if it was slippage or a broken tool. And a broken tool can happen with any name brand.
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Old 15 April 2017, 05:26 AM   #32
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Honestly it varies for each spring bar that is used for a watch. For instance if you use Seiko Fat Bars then nothing is perfect. The don't have double flanges so they suck getting them out. The newer Tudors have super tight clearances, to the Horofix I posted about works great on them. Drilled lugs a push pin works the best. Older Rolex's with single flange spring bars work best if they use a small v-fork tool. There so many variables and there is no perfect tool for every watch.

Hell in all honesty patience, steady hands, head mounted magnifier, tape (if your steadiness sucks like mine does) and a decent tool works the best. Not mention a shot of whiskey.
Thanks for the reply. What would you recommend for modern Rolex no holes case?

I agree with all your said about patience, steady hands etc. Shot of whiskey I'll pass on that but I do see how it may be of some help.
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Old 15 April 2017, 05:30 AM   #33
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Thanks for the reply. What would you recommend for modern Rolex no holes case?

I agree with all your said about patience, steady hands etc. Shot of whiskey I'll pass on that but I do see how it may be of some help.
For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
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For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
Cool. Thanks very much for the help. I am ordering one. I will let you know how it goes.
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Old 15 April 2017, 08:20 AM   #35
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This combo works great but like it was said before you need to file the forka down.
Is also have the simple bergeon to push the pins out the lugholes
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Old 15 April 2017, 08:35 AM   #36
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This combo works great but like it was said before you need to file the forka down.
Is also have the simple bergeon to push the pins out the lugholes



Says the guy with scratches on the logs!

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Old 15 April 2017, 08:54 AM   #37
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Not OCD so I do not bother. I will wear it while painting this weekend and wore it making a guide rail for my Bosch GKS190 tonight😀😀

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Old 15 April 2017, 08:56 AM   #38
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If you have drilled lugs use a cocktail stick to compress the spring bars, if they slip, no damage is done.
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Old 15 April 2017, 01:43 PM   #39
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More good info folks, thanks. Mine hasn't been delivered yet. Now I have to figure out what a case cushion is. Some one got some good pics of those and info?
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Old 15 April 2017, 01:49 PM   #40
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This are my tool

Yes you need to use masking tape as a protection

Yep agreed. This is mine (I compared it to my friends Bergeon) and it's exactly the same. It costs $80 (now it says $89, but it was $80 when I bought it) so I thought it was a pretty good deal and it works great. It even comes with extra interchangeable forks





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For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
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Cool. Thanks very much for the help. I am ordering one. I will let you know how it goes.

Yep, that's the one I use and it works great
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Old 15 April 2017, 03:07 PM   #41
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Don't go cheap, spend another $80 or so and get the Burgeon. Why spend $9k on a watch and then go cheap on the springbar tool? If those tips break (and it'll only happen while your changing a bracelet) you'll gouge your watch. Is the risk worth the $80 saving?


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Old 15 April 2017, 03:15 PM   #42
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Yep agreed. This is mine (I compared it to my friends Bergeon) and it's exactly the same. It costs $80 (now it says $89, but it was $80 when I bought it) so I thought it was a pretty good deal and it works great. It even comes with extra interchangeable forks
The plier is same but the fork tips (and end especially) are not the same. Horofix appears slimmer and more prone to breaking whereas Bergeon appears more solid. That's what I gathered from all the posts.
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:35 PM   #43
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For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
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The plier is same but the fork tips (and end especially) are not the same. Horofix appears slimmer and more prone to breaking whereas Bergeon appears more solid. That's what I gathered from all the posts.
Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
Thanks, so Bergeon tips will fit on Horofix?
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Thanks, so Bergeon tips will fit on Horofix?
Yes at least the ones I used (my friends, just to check) I don't know if they all fit, but I assume they will, both the horofix and bergeon have a screw down mechanism to fit different size tips. That being said I compared the two side by side and they don't look any different quality / durability wise
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Old 15 April 2017, 10:18 PM   #46
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More good info folks, thanks. Mine hasn't been delivered yet. Now I have to figure out what a case cushion is. Some one got some good pics of those and info?
Check eBay or Amazon, you don't need to spend big money for a brand name one.

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Thanks Cryten, I'll start checking them out and track one down.
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Old 17 April 2017, 08:51 AM   #48
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Hmm how do you use this?


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I believe that's to set the watch sapphire crystal down on. I just use a blanket or whatever.
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Hmm how do you use this?
For removing and replacing bracelets with bracelet pliers they're invaluable. Endlinks rarely sit flush with the lugs so working on a surface with some give helps with alignment.

You essentially pin the endlink to the case cushion using the bracelet pliers (like pinning a snake by the neck) and remove or reintroduce the watch head as required. A folded polishing cloth also works but a case cushion is far superior and makes the job much easier.
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Old 17 April 2017, 02:09 PM   #51
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong
http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

So that's two pairs, four tips, with different ends 1 and 1.4mm and the 1mm fit six digit Rolex?


Why are people spending all that money on Bergeon and then filing the tip to fit their Rolex? Yet those who buy Horofix aren't buying the best for their Rolex yet they fit without filing?

What am I missing?
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Old 17 April 2017, 02:14 PM   #52
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http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

So that's two pairs, four tips, with different ends 1 and 1.4mm and the 1mm fit six digit Rolex?


Why are people spending all that money on Bergeon and then filing the tip to fit their Rolex? Yet those who buy Horofix aren't buying the best for their Rolex yet they fit without filing?

What am I missing?
Not sure which size fits because I don't think they're labeled (I'll have to look at them and see.) It definitely fits perfectly though and comes with 4 different sizes (2 sets of forks with different size ends.)

As far as why people are spending more money, I just think it's because people think of Bergeon as the highest quality so it must be the best? It's what most watchmakers use? I think Bergeon makes the exact tip you need but you have to order it (I could be wrong, that's just what I've read.)

My Horofix works awesome, I've used it a bunch going back and forth from the oyster to the Everest rubber strap and I've never had a single issue with it, works perfectly
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
Thanks for the info
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Old 17 April 2017, 07:43 PM   #54
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I try not to shop Ebay if I can avoid it.

this is an interesting phenomenon where people are scared to buy online.

is it because you don't know who you're buying from? just like in TRF you buy the seller and unlike TRF or anything else, Ebay puts a score and % next to the seller.

there really can't b anything more secure than to know the financial dealings the person did BEFORE you walked in there to buy.

but don't ask me, i'm a maniac. bought a porsche over the phone, site unseen. i bank wire tens of thousands of dollars to sellers i don't know, too.

what's the common denominator? trusted sellers. takes the worry out.
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this is an interesting phenomenon where people are scared to buy online.

is it because you don't know who you're buying from? just like in TRF you buy the seller and unlike TRF or anything else, Ebay puts a score and % next to the seller.

there really can't b anything more secure than to know the financial dealings the person did BEFORE you walked in there to buy.

but don't ask me, i'm a maniac. bought a porsche over the phone, site unseen. i bank wire tens of thousands of dollars to sellers i don't know, too.

what's the common denominator? trusted sellers. takes the worry out.

I also avoid buying on line. Watches are a big no-no since I always like to inspect it personally.

With the tools, you can get best price at cousinsuk and this is where I bought my toys from. Best price for Bergeon and others.
So, I don't have to deal with every Tom, Dick and Harry and fear that I might get a fake tool or get scammed. (there a lot of top reputation seller that sell fake tools, especially from Asia).
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just logged onto ebay. bought a case cushion for $6.99.
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Good thing I came across this thread, was just about to pull the trigger on a 6825-PF.

Anyone know where I can get the Horofix pliers in the UK/EU?
Seems the 6825 will not fit the narrower lug openings on a lot of my watches.
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Anyone know where I can get the Horofix pliers in the UK/EU?
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Old 11 May 2017, 06:54 PM   #59
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After being stuck in Australian Customs for just over two weeks got the Horofix pliers and it's tremendous

Took maybe two seconds to remove each spring bar... took a bit longer to put them back on... don't forget the tape to stop scratching the lugs

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After being stuck in Australian Customs for just over two weeks got the Horofix pliers and it's tremendous

Took maybe two seconds to remove each spring bar... took a bit longer to put them back on... don't forget the tape to stop scratching the lugs
With the 7825's I don't even need to use tape. They keep the spring bar fully compressed, both while removing and replacing. Great tool.
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