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JJ Irani · 3 November 2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

It's a nice freaking watch still

You can say that again, pal!!

Perdu · 3 November 2009, 11:08 AM

Sorry you've had this happen, Ryan. It could have been much worse, you could have had the watch fall of your wrist.

Lol-x · 3 November 2009, 11:09 AM

I think it is important to consider whether this is an inherent defect in the design of the clasp or a production defect.

If it is the former, then that will be more significant than the latter.

Judging by the photograph, it seems that the weld has 'let go'.
That seems to be more indicative of a production defect such as unclean material surfaces immediately prior to welding, than it being some design flaw in the clasp.

At least I hope so.

Rolesor · 3 November 2009, 11:09 AM

AMAZING watch but man really unacceptable.. I'm sure the numbers are low in terms of these clasp failures and dates that don't change over.. but I can't help but think how furious I would be if it happened to me after months of saving and excitement... it would be the biggest let down i can imagine.. I feel sorry for you guys, I hope it gets fixed painlessly and I can only hope it doesn't happen to me!

mda · 3 November 2009, 11:12 AM

Thanks JJ! I didn't know that that these numbers can be interpreted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

PJ = 2008 and the no. is the month. So your PJ5 = May 2008 and so on.

I guess you would have to be very unlucky to have such a clasp failure with Rolex QC.

JJ

Omega_Precision · 3 November 2009, 11:13 AM

Like Steve said.....

It could be a production flaw and not design.....

presario · 3 November 2009, 11:14 AM

Sorry to hear about the clasp failure Spogehead.

Mine is an EO8 and the weld looks good through a magnifying glass. I think it may be the production run because the other failure was a PJ2 as well.

Ebruner · 3 November 2009, 11:16 AM

I am not trying to be naive, but I have to feel it is maybe a production run type problem. The sheer numbers of clasps being churned out and sold worldwide for the last however many years with welded construction is pretty darn high. For there to be no other noise especially with the internet, and peoples appetite to complain about expensive stuff breaking in surprising to say the least if it is a true design issue.

Any others have a different opinion???

GMTJOHNNY · 3 November 2009, 01:13 PM

Mine is E06 and also looks fine under magnification. What year is that? My watch is an M Series.

STEELINOX · 3 November 2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

Mine is E06 and also looks fine under magnification. What year is that? My watch is an M Series.

His was an "M" as well.

SIDEBAR: There's one for sale on the corner, wonder how long it will "sit" there??

TheDude · 3 November 2009, 01:57 PM

Mine is E02, and is an M serial. First M GMT-IIc reported on this forum, purchased beginning of Oct 2007.

lwrm23 · 3 November 2009, 02:16 PM

Mine is a PJ4... No problems with the clasp yet!!!

Atl · 3 November 2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

We have heard so many failures with this watch and it's not good.

First it was the date getting stuck and now these bracelet issues.

Wow!

Don't forget the cracked ceramic bezels as well!

MortgageGuy · 3 November 2009, 02:48 PM

So sorry to hear that you guys are having these major issues with your watches, I certainly know how you feel with the GMT that I had... I certainly hope this remains isolated but it would appear there are some major issues here with the GMT's. Keep us posted to how this is resolved.

Omega_Precision · 3 November 2009, 03:16 PM

We need a sticky thread, a DIY for the clasp. I think the experienced welders on this forum can explain how to weld the bracelets back.

Imagine the cost of the bracelet after the warranty period.

Starwalker · 3 November 2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

I'm glad that I have the "old" clasp on my Daytonas..........

x2!

watcher54 · 3 November 2009, 03:52 PM

My GMT IIc is one of the earliest ones with a Z820*** serial number and clasp code of OP10. The weld joint looks pretty clean, but after reading about the first failure on this board I've begun checking mine about every other day. Rolex won't do anything about it until the AD's complain. I think Rolex figures that an in-warranty failure is a no harm no foul situation. Mine's out of warranty and I'll be pretty pissed if Rolex offers no concession upon a failure and I'm faced with having to shell out a grand for a new clasp -- assuming the watch doesn't smash on a concrete floor if and when the clasp breaks.

Omega_Precision · 3 November 2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watcher54

My GMT IIc is one of the earliest ones with a Z820*** serial number and clasp code of OP10. The weld joint looks pretty clean, but after reading about the first failure on this board I've begun checking mine about every other day. Rolex won't do anything about it until the AD's complain. I think Rolex figures that an in-warranty failure is a no harm no foul situation. Mine's out of warranty and I'll be pretty pissed if Rolex offers no concession upon a failure and I'm faced with having to shell out a grand for a new clasp -- assuming the watch doesn't smash on a concrete floor if and when the clasp breaks.

You can Google...spot welding.

There are tons of sites that will teach you how to DIY weld....way cheaper than new bracelet.

Colnago · 3 November 2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spogehead

pj2

Mine is a PJ2 as well....now I am really worried....I am off to work today (4 weeks away from home) normally I would have been taking my GMTIIc with me as my travelling companion.....not this time....back to me trusty DJ......better to be safe than sorry....I will be watching those welds like a hawk whenever I decide to wear that watch......pretty poor when you have to worry so much about something that is supposed to be virtually bomb proof.....

Omega_Precision · 3 November 2009, 04:59 PM

It will definitely be stranged for those who have this watch, to be constantly monitoring the welds, everytime they put it on.

spogehead · 3 November 2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

Wow, I have put my GMT IIc through quite a bit...I am going to put the loupe to it tonight and give it a once over. Did you snag it on anything?
Scott

No snag just simply tried to take my watch off.

Thanks for the support chaps whilst I am annoyed as I am travelling to the US on Thursday and wanted to use the watch for what it is intended for, it's just one of those things which is why these products are sold with a warranty.

I am taking it into Rolex at Bexley this morning as it is just round the corner from where I work and will post back what they say. Can't see them turning it round in a day so it will probably not be sorted until I get back from LV

anipit · 3 November 2009, 06:30 PM

A 12 months Rolex watch??? But it is unbelievable.
Is the watch new? Do warranty works for this?

JJ Irani · 3 November 2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

Mine is E06 and also looks fine under magnification. What year is that? My watch is an M Series.

EO = 2007 and 6 = June......so EO6 = June 2007

JJ

padi56 · 3 November 2009, 08:03 PM

As I have said many many times, newer,bigger etc is not always better.Myself would rather trust a well proven clasp like fliplock or oysterlock.

BASSETHOUNDS · 3 November 2009, 08:38 PM

PJ5 on a SDDS , touching wood , but no problems so far .

TheDude · 3 November 2009, 10:05 PM

Remember... Rolex was cranking these out -fast-. No one is immune to the pitfalls of pushing production faster and faster.

Glad I bought mine at a big reputable AD. If anything happens, I'm thinking they'll do the right thing even if Rolex does not.

STEELINOX · 4 November 2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDude

Remember... Rolex was cranking these out -fast-. No one is immune to the pitfalls of pushing production faster and faster.

Glad I bought mine at a big reputable AD. If anything happens, I'm thinking they'll do the right thing even if Rolex does not.

ROLEX "is" replacing them at no charge.

Its really not necessary to get your AD involved, contact ROLEX directly...

TheDude · 4 November 2009, 12:24 AM

Oh, my bad. I hadn't gleaned that from the brief skim of the posts.

steveseiko · 4 November 2009, 12:50 AM

If Rolex is doing a goodwill repair/exchange, that's great. The GMTII-C is top on my list of must have.

carbon6 · 4 November 2009, 12:55 AM

M serial with an EO10. The welds look fine under a loupe. I'm wondering when there would be added tension on that specific point on the clasp.

3 November 2009, 11:08 AM	#32
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	Sorry you've had this happen, Ryan. It could have been much worse, you could have had the watch fall of your wrist. __________________ Omega Seamaster 300M GMT Noire Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500 Benson 1937 Sterling Silver Hunter

3 November 2009, 11:09 AM	#33
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,241	I think it is important to consider whether this is an inherent defect in the design of the clasp or a production defect. If it is the former, then that will be more significant than the latter. Judging by the photograph, it seems that the weld has 'let go'. That seems to be more indicative of a production defect such as unclean material surfaces immediately prior to welding, than it being some design flaw in the clasp. At least I hope so. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

3 November 2009, 11:14 AM	#37
presario "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,428	Sorry to hear about the clasp failure Spogehead. Mine is an EO8 and the weld looks good through a magnifying glass. I think it may be the production run because the other failure was a PJ2 as well. __________________

3 November 2009, 11:16 AM	#38
Ebruner "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Eddie Location: Kentucky Watch: 118208 Posts: 2,510	I am not trying to be naive, but I have to feel it is maybe a production run type problem. The sheer numbers of clasps being churned out and sold worldwide for the last however many years with welded construction is pretty darn high. For there to be no other noise especially with the internet, and peoples appetite to complain about expensive stuff breaking in surprising to say the least if it is a true design issue. Any others have a different opinion??? __________________

3 November 2009, 01:13 PM	#39
GMTJOHNNY "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: LONG ISLAND, NY Watch: 2007 DAY DATE 18KT Posts: 1,378	Mine is E06 and also looks fine under magnification. What year is that? My watch is an M Series. __________________ ROLEX DAY DATE 118238 (2007) ROLEX DAY DATE 18238 (1997) ROLEX GMT 16750 PEPSI (1987) ROLEX AIR KING 14000 (1991) ROLEX GMTIIC TT 116713LN (2008)

3 November 2009, 11:09 AM	#34
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,141	AMAZING watch but man really unacceptable.. I'm sure the numbers are low in terms of these clasp failures and dates that don't change over.. but I can't help but think how furious I would be if it happened to me after months of saving and excitement... it would be the biggest let down i can imagine.. I feel sorry for you guys, I hope it gets fixed painlessly and I can only hope it doesn't happen to me!

3 November 2009, 11:13 AM	#36
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	Like Steve said..... It could be a production flaw and not design.....

3 November 2009, 01:57 PM	#41
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,483	Mine is E02, and is an M serial. First M GMT-IIc reported on this forum, purchased beginning of Oct 2007.

3 November 2009, 02:16 PM	#42
lwrm23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Craig Location: Florida Watch: SubC Posts: 138	Mine is a PJ4... No problems with the clasp yet!!!

3 November 2009, 02:48 PM	#44
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,935	So sorry to hear that you guys are having these major issues with your watches, I certainly know how you feel with the GMT that I had... I certainly hope this remains isolated but it would appear there are some major issues here with the GMT's. Keep us posted to how this is resolved. __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

3 November 2009, 03:16 PM	#45
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	We need a sticky thread, a DIY for the clasp. I think the experienced welders on this forum can explain how to weld the bracelets back. Imagine the cost of the bracelet after the warranty period.

3 November 2009, 03:52 PM	#47
watcher54 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Bill Location: Oklahoma City Watch: SS GMT IIC Posts: 55	My GMT IIc is one of the earliest ones with a Z820*** serial number and clasp code of OP10. The weld joint looks pretty clean, but after reading about the first failure on this board I've begun checking mine about every other day. Rolex won't do anything about it until the AD's complain. I think Rolex figures that an in-warranty failure is a no harm no foul situation. Mine's out of warranty and I'll be pretty pissed if Rolex offers no concession upon a failure and I'm faced with having to shell out a grand for a new clasp -- assuming the watch doesn't smash on a concrete floor if and when the clasp breaks.

3 November 2009, 04:59 PM	#50
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	It will definitely be stranged for those who have this watch, to be constantly monitoring the welds, everytime they put it on.

3 November 2009, 06:30 PM	#52
anipit "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Laura Location: Italy Watch: 16610 + 16220 Posts: 385	A 12 months Rolex watch??? But it is unbelievable. Is the watch new? Do warranty works for this? __________________ Laura from Italy. 16610 + 16220.

3 November 2009, 08:03 PM	#54
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,264	As I have said many many times, newer,bigger etc is not always better.Myself would rather trust a well proven clasp like fliplock or oysterlock. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

3 November 2009, 08:38 PM	#55
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	PJ5 on a SDDS , touching wood , but no problems so far .

3 November 2009, 10:05 PM	#56
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,483	Remember... Rolex was cranking these out -fast-. No one is immune to the pitfalls of pushing production faster and faster. Glad I bought mine at a big reputable AD. If anything happens, I'm thinking they'll do the right thing even if Rolex does not.

4 November 2009, 12:24 AM	#58
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,483	Oh, my bad. I hadn't gleaned that from the brief skim of the posts.

4 November 2009, 12:50 AM	#59
steveseiko Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Steve Location: ON,Canada Watch: DSSD & PO 45.5 Posts: 189	If Rolex is doing a goodwill repair/exchange, that's great. The GMTII-C is top on my list of must have.

4 November 2009, 12:55 AM	#60
carbon6 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 135	M serial with an EO10. The welds look fine under a loupe. I'm wondering when there would be added tension on that specific point on the clasp.

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