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Old 4 May 2021, 05:57 AM   #1
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4947/1a

I haven’t seen any discussion on this. Has anyone seen it? Do you think it will be a big hit due to it being a steel model?


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Old 4 May 2021, 01:35 PM   #2
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I haven’t seen any discussion on this. Has anyone seen it? Do you think it will be a big hit due to it being a steel model?


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Not many discussion as this is a ladies model
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Old 4 May 2021, 03:37 PM   #3
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I bought one. Found that it looked very masculine and the size suited my wrist a lot better than my girlfriend’s who was surprised when I told her this was supposedly a ladies watch. Also worth mentioning that the bracelet is stunning and incredibly comfortable.

I’ll add some pictures when I get to 10 posts and they let me..


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Old 4 May 2021, 04:00 PM   #4
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I think it's a shame that some people are stuck on gender.
It's a great little package and a sensible size too at 38mm.

I'm waiting to see one though, the height and shape might change my mind, I don't like deep round watches.
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Old 4 May 2021, 05:43 PM   #5
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Not many discussion as this is a ladies model
How is a 38mm AC a ladies model? Do tell, can’t wait to hear the logic.
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Old 4 May 2021, 06:40 PM   #6
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How is a 38mm AC a ladies model? Do tell, can’t wait to hear the logic.
It is not a ladies piece. It is being advertised as a unisex watch by PP. The logic comes from the start of the reference number which begins with 4. Normally, reference number beginning with 4 and 7 is a ladies piece such as 4947, 4948 etc.

But Asian men's wrists are small in size.. they are also able to take a 38mm without looking too overwhelmed..
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Old 4 May 2021, 07:02 PM   #7
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How is a 38mm AC a ladies model? Do tell, can’t wait to hear the logic.

This is where Patek is confusing.




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Old 4 May 2021, 08:50 PM   #8
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I'm pretty sure I saw a guy wearing the white gold version, I tried to look more closely but I didn't know him and would have had to stop him to ask and I didn't like to.

Dark skinned fellow in the Burberry shop and it looked good on him, so I'm not convinced that any of the watches in that picture are strictly ladies watches.
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Old 4 May 2021, 09:06 PM   #9
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I'm pretty sure I saw a guy wearing the white gold version, I tried to look more closely but I didn't know him and would have had to stop him to ask and I didn't like to.



Dark skinned fellow in the Burberry shop and it looked good on him, so I'm not convinced that any of the watches in that picture are strictly ladies watches.


I would suggest anyone can wear any watch and the steel piece is certainly unisex in my eyes, my point is that Patek calls the white gold version a ladies piece and additionally the rose gold piece is made in 4N (ladies) not 5N (gents) rose gold. Using the same reference for a unisex piece as two pieces they already refer to as ladies pieces is to my mind confusing.

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Old 4 May 2021, 09:18 PM   #10
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I would suggest anyone can wear any watch and the steel piece is certainly unisex in my eyes, my point is that Patek calls the white gold version a ladies piece and additionally the rose gold piece is made in 4N (ladies) not 5N (gents) rose gold. Using the same reference for a unisex piece as two pieces they already refer to as ladies pieces is to my mind confusing.
Oh I see, I agree, they haven't helped themselves and it will probably be labelled a ladies watch and it will put many men off, but I doubt Patek are worried too much, they don't seem to struggle with sales.

The size isn't an issue, well at least it wouldn't be for me, I'm from a generation when 37mm was the standard mans size watch.
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Old 5 May 2021, 12:10 AM   #11
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I went to 2 PP ADs over the weekend and both the sales person mentioned this watch as a ladies watch to me (im a guy). Was able to try a demo piece for the steel model and it definitely looks OK on a man. The blue dial for this model is very unique and nicely done. I think they did everything right for this model but i could see how it being compared to a ladies watch may turn some ppl off this model.

The only problem i feel about this model is that you could get a Gold AC for just a little bit more dough.
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Old 5 May 2021, 12:33 AM   #12
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I would suggest anyone can wear any watch and the steel piece is certainly unisex in my eyes, my point is that Patek calls the white gold version a ladies piece and additionally the rose gold piece is made in 4N (ladies) not 5N (gents) rose gold. Using the same reference for a unisex piece as two pieces they already refer to as ladies pieces is to my mind confusing.
+1. Patek made the same mistake with the 7234... released the R as a ladies' model then followed up with the unisex G. Why they insist on gendering watches to begin with is beyond me.
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Old 5 May 2021, 12:59 AM   #13
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When I look at this watch it reminds me of 'forky' from toy story.
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Old 5 May 2021, 02:40 AM   #14
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At the risk of gender stereotyping, I do find the denim effect dial to be more feminine. But then that’s personal taste.
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Old 5 May 2021, 10:39 AM   #15
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How is a 38mm AC a ladies model? Do tell, can’t wait to hear the logic.
Patek describe The Ref 4947 which is a 38 mm AC as a ladies model. Why you think 38 mm AC is not a ladies model? Do tell, can't wait to hear the logic
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Old 5 May 2021, 11:25 AM   #16
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Patek describe The Ref 4947 which is a 38 mm AC as a ladies model. Why you think 38 mm AC is not a ladies model? Do tell, can't wait to hear the logic
Because PP describe it as unisex?

Is it the size you have a hang-up about?
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Old 5 May 2021, 12:09 PM   #17
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I have tried it on and also thought it seemed a bit small. I have a small wrist and have a 34 mm date and 36 mm datejust but this overall looked closer to the date. I do think it's marketed as unisex and belive the person who ended up purchasing it was a gentleman. I'm sure if offered in a 40 later in the year it would be more broadly received which I think watchbox guessed at in the future in a recent video. Great clasp and watch overall!
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Old 5 May 2021, 12:34 PM   #18
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Because PP describe it as unisex?

Is it the size you have a hang-up about?
CastorKrieg wrote how a 38 mm AC could be a ladies model and I was responding to his post saying Patek describe the 4947 as a ladies model.

I don't have a hang-up about the size and if you have a hang-up about the size I can't help
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Old 5 May 2021, 03:31 PM   #19
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Well I knew I’d regret not getting it but to be fair I have a preference for 36-40mm watches so this one fell right in the middle.


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I don't have a hang-up about the size...
Good man.

The 4947/1a is not described as a ladies model.
It would look great on a man or woman as long as they can carry it off.
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Old 7 May 2021, 05:07 PM   #21
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I really tried to love the 4947 steel but it was so tiny and feminine (to me) on my wrist. Shame since I was looking at the 5146 and thought this new model would meet those check boxes I wanted.
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Old 7 May 2021, 06:25 PM   #22
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I'm a little confused to be honest. Some say the 5327 is a large watch at 39mm, but there are also posts that say that the 4947 at 38mm is tiny. There is only 1mm between them and it makes a world of difference.
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Old 21 May 2021, 08:14 AM   #23
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I bought one. Found that it looked very masculine and the size suited my wrist a lot better than my girlfriend’s who was surprised when I told her this was supposedly a ladies watch. Also worth mentioning that the bracelet is stunning and incredibly comfortable.

I’ll add some pictures when I get to 10 posts and they let me..


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Old 21 May 2021, 09:14 AM   #24
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Men who like smaller size watches will go for SS blue dial with bracelet but women will go for WG/RG with diamonds bezel on strap.
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It depends a lot on the wearer. I thought I would like the 7234g but it felt too small compared to the 5524.

Patek is certainly confusing with its nomenclature these days. Even the 7234 Singapore edition was marketed as a ladies watch but the 7234g is marketed as a unisex watch.
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Old 21 May 2021, 01:36 PM   #26
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I like it. I asked my AD about it and they said they’ve already had a ton of people ask about being on the list. I just like having another option for steel


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Old 21 May 2021, 07:10 PM   #27
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It is not a ladies watch
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Old 21 May 2021, 09:00 PM   #28
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In the 21 century arguing about whether a watch is for ladies or men is a bit outdated. I actually believe that PP communication strategy needs an update and removing the categories. There is a current trend of going down in size all across the board in all categories - Dress, Dive, casual etc. watches. Also, I always admired that ladies wear whatever they like - from yellow gold Daytonas through vintage and modern day quartz diamond incrusted watches. I saw a close female friend of mine pulling a Panerai the other day, and me - 190 cm 95 kg man find the Pan too big on my wrist ...
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Old 24 May 2021, 07:03 AM   #29
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It is not a ladies watch
It looks big but I'm still unsure about that bracelet finish
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I’m really excited about this watch
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