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16 May 2021, 03:34 PM | #1 |
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Recommendations for a first PP
Hi guys;
While I've had many fine watches come through my little collection over the last decade or so, I have yet to acquire a Patek and think it might be a reasonable goal this year. My question is simply what do you suggest for an entry piece? The following are all factors to me; however the only absolute is that it must have a seconds hand of some sort - I appreciate the dressiness of some two handers, but my OCD just can't do it. I'd prefer SS/WG over YG Under 20-25k Used or vintage is completely acceptable. I prefer at least a 34-35mm case for a round dial, however for tank style such as Gondolo I am open - I enjoy many vintage pieces and a 'smaller' than average watch may not be an issue. So - any thoughts? Thanks guys! :) |
16 May 2021, 04:45 PM | #2 |
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5109G Gondolo and 5196G Calatrava.
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16 May 2021, 04:46 PM | #3 |
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5119G should fit the bill. 35mm, WG, thin, dressy, classic, sub-seconds, good value for money and readily available. 5127G of you want a date and central seconds, 5196G if you want an in-production model and 6000G if you want more casual. All of them should fit within budget.
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16 May 2021, 06:39 PM | #4 |
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In the same shoes I got a 3998P which is a basic 34mm three-hander with date with the trusted 315 movement. I had tried on 5196 and 5296 at the AD before but found them a little large on my 6.6" wrists (for a dress watch that is, don't mind 40mm sports watches). No regrets many years later.
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3998 will be more expensive in non-YG
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16 May 2021, 06:51 PM | #6 |
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The Nautilus is a good entry-level Patek which meets all your criteria except price!
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18 May 2021, 03:03 AM | #8 |
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My first, can be found at a good price nowadays.
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18 May 2021, 03:12 AM | #9 |
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In that price range, you are mainly looking at Calatravas, Gondolos or a Golden Ellipse. You may be luck enough to find an older Annual Calendar for under $25k. It may be more difficult to find non-YG older Calatravas. Recent model WG Calatravas are your best bet.
As for a Gondolos and Golden Ellipses, unless you love rectangular shaped watches, I wouldn't recommend that as your first. You can add it to your collection after having a few Pateks in your collection. |
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5196G seems to fit your criteria.
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5196G, the OP39 of PP's current lineup, is becoming absurdly expensive even if pre-owned. In Europe, we are talking about EUR 20k (B&P).
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The 3445 in WG would be my choice as a starter. I'd also consider a 3978 Ellipse in YG/white dial/Roman markers (the final iteration of the vintage Ellipse era, and the most elegant in my opinion).
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3738 Ellipse in YG. with blue dial and black strap. As iconic as it can get.
Why should be buy a fairly generic-looking 5196 in a round shape and white metal, he probably has already some watches in that style. |
21 May 2021, 05:15 PM | #14 |
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I would (obviously ;-)) say Ellipse as well. However, the Ellipse does not have a seconds hand, which is one of your requirements.
What about the Calatrava Travel Time 5134G or 5134P? In my opinion this is still one of the most beautiful Pateks ever made, and it has the desired travel time complication that people go mad about in the Aquanaut. Maybe I am wrong but I get the impression that this model is not very popular and extremely underrated. As a result you should be able to find one around USD 20k. |
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Me thinks one of the Best Buy’s to start in pp is the vintage ellipse - you can get one for 10 grand - maybe less . Subtle elegance IMO , james in San Antonio Tx
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Re-think the seconds hand requirement.
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Thanks for the input guys - I have a bit to think on it further, but...
...right now it's actually the 5109G Gondolo that I think is right for me. -Seconds hand, while I understand is not standard/traditional/etc for a 'dress' watch is an absolute make or break for me, moreso than size or WG vs YG, so that preference (which I admit it is) is a certain one for me. -I am one of the few young-ish American males of fairly large frame to not only like but often prefer rectangular 'tank' case designs. Add in the styling, which to me is a blend of the best bits of art deco and Breuget, and for my money I think it's a winner, at least visually. Will hopefully be picking one up in-person when next in NYC - alas, winter is so far away... |
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But a 5109 is not a SS sports Patek?
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