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Old 9 July 2020, 06:07 PM   #1
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Phillips Auction: Daytona 116520

Hello everyone, I’m not sure exactly if this watch is considered vintage so I’m sorry if I’m posting it in the wrong thread.

I would like to ask regarding this Rolex Daytona 116520 K series with cream dial. What does everyone think about it (condition, price etc.)? I see that in the subdial rings it has turned brown color as well, is this considered rare for this model (legit?) I have seen cream dial P or K series but not usually with this color subdial rings.

Would love to hear all your thoughts. Thank you very much.

https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/HK080120/1053
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Old 9 July 2020, 08:52 PM   #2
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Old 9 July 2020, 09:00 PM   #3
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Cream dial is cool but the sub dials are awful brown. Many of the cream dials I see for 116520s still have silver sub dials. Still looks like a defect to me that will just get worse but what do I know...
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Old 9 July 2020, 11:14 PM   #4
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Both my creams still have silver sundials....those sundials have been exposed to moisture at some point.....
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Old 9 July 2020, 11:21 PM   #5
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Old 9 July 2020, 11:56 PM   #6
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Old 10 July 2020, 03:51 AM   #7
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My creamy P serial 116520 dial also has silver sub dials.

The brown sub dials on this watch whether defects or natural ruin the dial. Not for me.
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Old 10 July 2020, 05:29 AM   #8
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Makes me wonder how dials became coffee brown. .
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Old 10 July 2020, 06:31 AM   #9
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The whole watch is a roached out mess.
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Old 10 July 2020, 06:35 AM   #10
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Makes me wonder how dials became coffee brown. .
It's also further confirmation that you can't blindly trust major auction houses. They're nothing more than fancy eBay listings as far as I'm concerned.

Here's the key part of the description " ... a very few examples with a white dial featured a natural defect developed over time further heightening its rarity and collectability."

Really? Has anyone seen another white Daytona that looks like this?
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Old 10 July 2020, 07:00 AM   #11
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Old 10 July 2020, 07:01 AM   #12
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And how did it become the truth that this dial is manipulated? One starts a claim and suddenly that is what happened..
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Old 10 July 2020, 07:10 AM   #13
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Old 10 July 2020, 07:22 AM   #14
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I never knew a cream dial vintage variation existed until last week and haven't really looked too much into them. I find the cream hue of the dial surprisingly relaxing to look at. If this indeed is a naturally aged occurrence it adds another element into the mix of vintage variations and does provide an unexpected skew in the collectability curve since black has mostly appeared to be the more desirable dial colour.

Interestingly, Phillips, Sothebys, and Christies are running live watch auctions within three days of each other in Hong Kong starting from tomorrow. Madness!
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:21 AM   #15
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I thought there already was a name for these? The Patrizzi Dial. Of course, TBH I don't know that much about Daytona's… https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-bl...l-daytona.html
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:27 AM   #16
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I thought there already was a name for these? The Patrizzi Dial. Of course, TBH I don't know that much about Daytona's… https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-bl...l-daytona.html
Patrizzis are always black. This one is just tropical.
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A detail I failed to notice, thank you.
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:57 PM   #18
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Patrizzi is 16520 and cream 116520.....and opposite colors
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Old 10 July 2020, 02:24 PM   #19
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It could have gone through a fire and been exposed to heat while sitting in a safe
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And how did it become the truth that this dial is manipulated? One starts a claim and suddenly that is what happened..
I think no one is saying for certain that this dial is manipulated, people are just sharing their opinion. I would really like to know yours on the subject, BTW.
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Old 10 July 2020, 06:39 PM   #21
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I think no one is saying for certain that this dial is manipulated, people are just sharing their opinion. I would really like to know yours on the subject, BTW.
I would like to see it in the flesh to have one.
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It's also further confirmation that you can't blindly trust major auction houses. They're nothing more than fancy eBay listings as far as I'm concerned.

Here's the key part of the description " ... a very few examples with a white dial featured a natural defect developed over time further heightening its rarity and collectability."

Really? Has anyone seen another white Daytona that looks like this?
You raise really good points. And I completely agree with your sentiment about auction houses. If the big houses aren’t careful it won’t take long before it becomes their downfall. Personally, I’d rather deal with TRF Trusted Sellers, Eric Ku, and HQ Milton over auctioneers any day.
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Old 11 July 2020, 03:27 AM   #23
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Hello everyone, I’m not sure exactly if this watch is considered vintage so I’m sorry if I’m posting it in the wrong thread.

I would like to ask regarding this Rolex Daytona 116520 K series with cream dial. What does everyone think about it (condition, price etc.)? I see that in the subdial rings it has turned brown color as well, is this considered rare for this model (legit?) I have seen cream dial P or K series but not usually with this color subdial rings.

Would love to hear all your thoughts. Thank you very much.

https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/HK080120/1053

That is no cream SS dial. The dial is taken from a yellow 18K or a TT Daytona. It's a Franken_watch!
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And how did it become the truth that this dial is manipulated? One starts a claim and suddenly that is what happened..
I don't think it's the "truth," but it's certainly suspicious. In all my years looking online and in person at Zenith Daytonas I've never seen a white dial with "natural" aging on the sub-dials like this. Have you?

Many unusual things are possible with vintage Rolexes, especially with patina. But I'd expect to see other examples, at least a few, where this has happened to a white Zenith Daytona. I wouldn't even consider this watch until then.
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Old 11 July 2020, 04:40 AM   #25
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That is no cream SS dial. The dial is taken from a yellow 18K or a TT Daytona. It's a Franken_watch!
I would think with 1600 posts you would know more....u said that in another post and the 2 tones have yellow gold hour markers not white gold.....
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Old 11 July 2020, 08:04 AM   #26
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I would think with 1600 posts you would know more....u said that in another post and the 2 tones have yellow gold hour markers not white gold.....

You have a lot to learn grasshopper

I standby my earlier comment about the dial is from a ss gold TT Daytona ref#116523. The hour markers were also replaced from an SS to make it look like this is one of a kind dial. These makers are fairly easy to remove. Again, you wouldn't have known this would you?

Now, some people would consider this an authentic watch because everything comes from Rolex

To each his own !
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Old 11 July 2020, 10:34 AM   #27
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The yellowie dial is too yellowie for me
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Old 11 July 2020, 11:04 PM   #28
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You have a lot to learn grasshopper

I standby my earlier comment about the dial is from a ss gold TT Daytona ref#116523. The hour markers were also replaced from an SS to make it look like this is one of a kind dial. These makers are fairly easy to remove. Again, you wouldn't have known this would you?

Now, some people would consider this an authentic watch because everything comes from Rolex

To each his own !
Ok so they replaced the hour markers and crown with WG parts( meaning they ruined a SS dial) then painted the dial cream??? Because the 2 tone are white to start with....come on bro....I bet a lot more people agree with me than you lol
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Old 12 July 2020, 12:07 AM   #29
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Ok so they replaced the hour markers and crown with WG parts( meaning they ruined a SS dial) then painted the dial cream??? Because the 2 tone are white to start with....come on bro....I bet a lot more people agree with me than you lol
I agree with you. That would be an awful lot of completely pointless work (ruining not one, but two dials?), all to wind up with a made-up “one of a kind” watch that doesn’t exist?
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Sold for 275.000 HKD or 35.000 USD. Guess it could have fetched more without the brown sub dials.
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