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JJ Irani · 2 April 2006, 06:29 AM

Hi guys,

I got this from another forum....but thought I'd share this information with all of you...just to clear up any doubts as to the difference between the 3185 (GMT-II and Exp-II) movement and the new 3186 currently incorporated in the new 50th Anniversary GMT-II.

Great article on the 3186 movement in the new GMT II.
Credit Henk Hoving and Timezone.

"The cal.3186 has exactly the same features as seen on the previous cal.3185, so there is no quickset date feature added as some guessed. The main difference between these calibers is the more precise setting of the 12 positions for the 12-hourhand when switching to another timezone.

The 12 hourhand clicks into the 12 positions without any play, and very precise and smooth, as the fixed positions where the hand clicks into, were moved from the center of the movement into the driving train of the hands, this eliminates the play that the older caliber has.

This resulted into a slightly higher caliber, from 6.4mm to 6.8mm, which resulted into a slightly higher case for the new GMT Master II when compared to the older GMT Master II.

Also, in this new GMT Master is the new, own hairspring fitted, the "Parachrom Bleu". This new Rolex-patented hairspring is very easy to recognise as the spring has a very dark blue shiny color. It consists of an alloy made of Niob (most part), Hafnium and a very small ammount other metals not described. This blue color is created because the Niob oxidizes in contact with air and formes a protective layer this way.

In comparison to the regular hairsprings, this new one consists of only non-Ferro materials, and is as such completely unsensitive to magnetic fields. Another major advantage is that this new spring is much less sensitive to temperature-variations, the frequency does not vary due to differences in temperature, which results into one of the most accurate mechanical watches you can buy today..."

Cheers - JJ

mailman · 2 April 2006, 08:26 AM

Thanks for stealing the info and giving it to us

maverick · 2 April 2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mailman

Thanks for stealing the info and giving it to us

I see no mention of the new race/ball bearing system which is an even bigger deal than the spring, IMHO. =) maverick

Rto · 2 April 2006, 10:35 AM

Thanks JJ! Great information! I was wondering if we could have some more detailed pics of this beauty...

maverick · 2 April 2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rto

Thanks JJ! Great information! I was wondering if we could have some more detailed pics of this beauty...

Here is the new TT GMT. =) maverick

Rto · 2 April 2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick

Here is the new TT GMT. =) maverick

Thanks Maverick!

Which is the truly GMT II 50th aniversary? I saw already an all gold one with the option of black dial (nice one) and green dial (did not like it)...right now you are showing this TT one...Do you know anything about it?

Rto · 2 April 2006, 11:52 AM

Forgot to ask you...do you know already list price on this TT version and when is going to be available?

JJ Irani · 2 April 2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rto

Forgot to ask you...do you know already list price on this TT version and when is going to be available?

We don't have much info on the TT version except that it would definitely have the same new 3186 movement as the all gold one. Since the YG model is listed at US$21,000, I can only presume that this TT version would be in the vicinity of around US$9,000 or thereabouts....also bearing in mind that the TT YM is listed at US$8,200.

Cheers - JJ

dman · 2 April 2006, 02:05 PM

That was too long to read JJ, so just answer one question. Does the new movement come with DIY instructions to change the battery?

mailman · 2 April 2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

That was too long to read JJ, so just answer one question. Does the new movement come with DIY instructions to change the battery?

David Mansour doesn't give the instructions out. This way people(JJ)take their watches back to him when they stop, he can do it. Otherwise they would know that they're(JJ)watches are fake

JJ Irani · 2 April 2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

David Mansour doesn't give the instructions out. This way people(JJ)take their watches back to him when they stop, he can do it. Otherwise they would know that they're(JJ)watches are fake

Hey tosser,

Haven't you got some blondies to visit on the night shift?

dman · 2 April 2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hey tosser,

Haven't you got some blondies to visit on the night shift?

We don't deliver mail at night JJ. TOSSER!

C.J. · 2 April 2006, 05:00 PM

Very cool post, JJ. Now, for the copyright infringements. Well, they're another story

padi56 · 2 April 2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick

I see no mention of the new race/ball bearing system which is an even bigger deal than the spring, IMHO. =) maverick

Now that Dennis I would 100% agree Mate,thats about the only weakness in the Rolex movement.

mailman · 2 April 2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

We don't deliver mail at night JJ. TOSSER!

I think he thought I was Craig. Senility is setting in with him

C.J. · 3 April 2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mailman

I think he thought I was Craig. Senility is setting in with him

Poor old thing. Someone give him some strained veggies and put him back on the porch

padi56 · 3 April 2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by C.J.

Poor old thing. Someone give him some strained veggies and put him back on the porch

More like back out to graze, with the rest of the flock.

C.J. · 3 April 2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

More like back out to graze, with the rest of the flock.

mailman · 3 April 2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

More like back out to graze, with the rest of the flock.

dman · 3 April 2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

I think he thought I was Craig. Senility is setting in with him

JJ Irani · 3 April 2006, 04:41 PM

Hmmmm.....wonder which one of you tossers will make Numero Uno this week!!

RogerF · 13 April 2006, 04:12 PM

I finally got to try on a new GMT2 (Gold Anniversary edtion) I must say it really does feel nice on the wrist, its like a GMT2 in a SD case. I really do want a SS one when it comes out in 2 years or so.

2 April 2006, 06:29 AM	#1
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	Real facts about the new 3186 movement!! Hi guys, I got this from another forum....but thought I'd share this information with all of you...just to clear up any doubts as to the difference between the 3185 (GMT-II and Exp-II) movement and the new 3186 currently incorporated in the new 50th Anniversary GMT-II. Great article on the 3186 movement in the new GMT II. Credit Henk Hoving and Timezone. "The cal.3186 has exactly the same features as seen on the previous cal.3185, so there is no quickset date feature added as some guessed. The main difference between these calibers is the more precise setting of the 12 positions for the 12-hourhand when switching to another timezone. The 12 hourhand clicks into the 12 positions without any play, and very precise and smooth, as the fixed positions where the hand clicks into, were moved from the center of the movement into the driving train of the hands, this eliminates the play that the older caliber has. This resulted into a slightly higher caliber, from 6.4mm to 6.8mm, which resulted into a slightly higher case for the new GMT Master II when compared to the older GMT Master II. Also, in this new GMT Master is the new, own hairspring fitted, the "Parachrom Bleu". This new Rolex-patented hairspring is very easy to recognise as the spring has a very dark blue shiny color. It consists of an alloy made of Niob (most part), Hafnium and a very small ammount other metals not described. This blue color is created because the Niob oxidizes in contact with air and formes a protective layer this way. In comparison to the regular hairsprings, this new one consists of only non-Ferro materials, and is as such completely unsensitive to magnetic fields. Another major advantage is that this new spring is much less sensitive to temperature-variations, the frequency does not vary due to differences in temperature, which results into one of the most accurate mechanical watches you can buy today..." Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 April 2006, 08:26 AM	#2
mailman TRF Moderator & DATE-JUST41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,363	Thanks for stealing the info and giving it to us __________________ JJ

2 April 2006, 10:35 AM	#4
Rto "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Renato T. Location: Sunny Florida Watch: FPJ-AP-PP-Rolex Posts: 538	Thanks JJ! Great information! I was wondering if we could have some more detailed pics of this beauty... Last edited by Rto; 2 April 2006 at 10:36 AM..

2 April 2006, 02:05 PM	#9
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,583	That was too long to read JJ, so just answer one question. Does the new movement come with DIY instructions to change the battery? __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

2 April 2006, 05:00 PM	#13
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	Very cool post, JJ. Now, for the copyright infringements. Well, they're another story __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

2 April 2006, 11:52 AM	#7
Rto "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Renato T. Location: Sunny Florida Watch: FPJ-AP-PP-Rolex Posts: 538	Forgot to ask you...do you know already list price on this TT version and when is going to be available?

3 April 2006, 04:41 PM	#21
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	Hmmmm.....wonder which one of you tossers will make Numero Uno this week!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

13 April 2006, 04:12 PM	#22
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	I finally got to try on a new GMT2 (Gold Anniversary edtion) I must say it really does feel nice on the wrist, its like a GMT2 in a SD case. I really do want a SS one when it comes out in 2 years or so.

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