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Old 14 July 2020, 05:40 AM   #31
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So which one will get discontinued? The Hesalite 1861 or the sapphire 1863?
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Old 14 July 2020, 09:13 AM   #32
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So which one will get discontinued? The Hesalite 1861 or the sapphire 1863?
Not sure what 1861 vs 1863 would reference (sorry for my ignorance). My understanding is that the current 311.30.42.30.01.006 gets retired but also replaced with something else.
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Old 14 July 2020, 09:26 AM   #33
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I love that bracelet. Will it be available for purchase from Omega, and if so, will it fit the regular Speedy Pro? I bought mine on leather, but would like to get a bracelet for it at some point.
This bracelet won't fit the Speedy Pro because of lug spacing. Speedy Pro has 20mm lugs while the EW321 has 19 mm lugs.
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Old 14 July 2020, 11:25 AM   #34
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This bracelet won't fit the Speedy Pro because of lug spacing. Speedy Pro has 20mm lugs while the EW321 has 19 mm lugs.
Dang, thanks for the clarification. I couldn’t tell that the case was different from pics, but should’ve figured.
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Old 14 July 2020, 02:42 PM   #35
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So which one will get discontinued? The Hesalite 1861 or the sapphire 1863?

Both are already discontinued base on some trusted rumors
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Old 16 July 2020, 05:55 AM   #36
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This watch looks so good. Definitely looking more and more.
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Old 16 July 2020, 07:54 AM   #37
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Very much disappointing in real-life pics... Omega should have tried better. So repetitive and so boring. A rival for Daytona, meh
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Old 16 July 2020, 08:28 AM   #38
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Both are already discontinued base on some trusted rumors
So no more Hesalite Moonwatch or they’re upgrading the movement ?
Sorry, trying to understand as I read all sort of things about both getting discontinued, The sapphire only and both getting discontinued
Thanks!
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Old 16 July 2020, 09:26 AM   #39
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So no more Hesalite Moonwatch or they’re upgrading the movement ?

Sorry, trying to understand as I read all sort of things about both getting discontinued, The sapphire only and both getting discontinued

Thanks!
The 1861 is discontinued. 3861 is the norm moving forward now with Moonwatches with some other aesthetic changes.
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Old 16 July 2020, 12:54 PM   #40
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The 1861 is discontinued. 3861 is the norm moving forward now with Moonwatches with some other aesthetic changes.
Is this official or just hearsay?
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Old 16 July 2020, 01:41 PM   #41
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Is this official or just hearsay?
Nothing is official until Omega actually announces it but makes sense to upgrade the movement to the 3861 and phase out the 1861.
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Old 16 July 2020, 04:28 PM   #42
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Great to see a case diameter of ~40 mm and the movement case-back display is beautiful, BUT...

Those ugly lugs kill it for me. Far too long, skinny, and angular. UGH. Pass!!

If only they kept the short, twisted lyre-style lugs which work so well on prior incarnations of the Speedmaster (and various Seamaster models). This is one of the best design cues that Omega has ever created and makes it possible to wear larger watches comfortably on smaller wrists. It also contributes to the versatility of after-market straps because they "look right" as the lugs dont stand out so much right next to the straps.

That, and the awful bracelet. Why wouldn't they include their better clasp with the microadjust system???

Incidentally, ugly lugs is exactly why I also would never consider a 6-digit Sub. The maxi case is hideous.
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Old 21 July 2020, 03:03 PM   #43
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Nothing is official until Omega actually announces it but makes sense to upgrade the movement to the 3861 and phase out the 1861.
I was in my AD last week and they confirmed that the 1861 and 1863 are being discontinued. According to them, Omega is limiting the number they can buy right now so they don't stock up.
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Old 21 July 2020, 03:28 PM   #44
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Dang, thanks for the clarification. I couldn’t tell that the case was different from pics, but should’ve figured.
You can fit the apollo 11 50th bracelet on a standard moonwatch if you want the same look as the new ed white. Just use a slightly thinner spring bar.
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Old 22 July 2020, 01:44 PM   #45
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is it weird that so far Robert Jan Broer of Fratello Watches is the only one that has the new 321 steel watch (no box)...was it an early promo thing?
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Old 22 July 2020, 03:58 PM   #46
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is it weird that so far Robert Jan Broer of Fratello Watches is the only one that has the new 321 steel watch (no box)...was it an early promo thing?
There was another EU incoming post on Instagram. Looks like they are slowly trickling it.
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Old 22 July 2020, 10:44 PM   #47
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is it weird that so far Robert Jan Broer of Fratello Watches is the only one that has the new 321 steel watch (no box)...was it an early promo thing?
Hes got the box and all now, its on the omegaforums
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Old 23 July 2020, 12:31 AM   #48
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Hes got the box and all now, its on the omegaforums
I would have thought that Omega would have spruced up the box a little bit at this price point.
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Old 23 July 2020, 04:05 AM   #49
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watching the video on fratello i found RJB comments regarding the absence of the halo effect of the sapphire crystal on the new 321 very interesting... looking forward to seeing this in person.
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Old 23 July 2020, 08:03 AM   #50
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I would have thought that Omega would have spruced up the box a little bit at this price point.
Same box with the Platinum 321 which is 3x the price, so not sure why they would here
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Old 23 July 2020, 09:52 AM   #51
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Same box with the Platinum 321 which is 3x the price, so not sure why they would here
They should have with the platinum speedy as well. I mean Omega has done great boxes for even cheaper models, I don't know why they slacked here.
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Old 24 July 2020, 08:32 AM   #52
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They should have with the platinum speedy as well. I mean Omega has done great boxes for even cheaper models, I don't know why they slacked here.
We can’t wear the box.

My favorite are actually the AP boxes. They are small and very nicely made. Fit really nice in a drawer.
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Old 24 July 2020, 11:09 AM   #53
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We can’t wear the box.

My favorite are actually the AP boxes. They are small and very nicely made. Fit really nice in a drawer.
I was impressed with their boxes as well, simple yet the craftsmanship and quality was very much there.
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Old 24 July 2020, 06:51 PM   #54
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They should have with the platinum speedy as well. I mean Omega has done great boxes for even cheaper models, I don't know why they slacked here.
Id agree with better boxes for cheaper models. Id much prefer a nice (small) wooden box, but not a dealbreaker for me either way
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Old 24 July 2020, 07:23 PM   #55
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If only they kept the short, twisted lyre-style lugs which work so well on prior incarnations of the Speedmaster (and various Seamaster models). This is one of the best design cues that Omega has ever created and makes it possible to wear larger watches comfortably on smaller wrists. It also contributes to the versatility of after-market straps because they "look right" as the lugs dont stand out so much right next to the straps..
The older ones had straight lugs, what's the issue? I rather have those to be honest.
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Old 24 July 2020, 11:22 PM   #56
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I was in my AD last week and they confirmed that the 1861 and 1863 are being discontinued. According to them, Omega is limiting the number they can buy right now so they don't stock up.
Same at my AD
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Old 25 July 2020, 12:49 AM   #57
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Same at my AD
Any speculation on what the price hike will be for these models once they introduce the new movement into them?
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Old 25 July 2020, 07:43 AM   #58
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Great to see a case diameter of ~40 mm and the movement case-back display is beautiful, BUT...

Those ugly lugs kill it for me. Far too long, skinny, and angular. UGH. Pass!!

If only they kept the short, twisted lyre-style lugs which work so well on prior incarnations of the Speedmaster (and various Seamaster models). This is one of the best design cues that Omega has ever created and makes it possible to wear larger watches comfortably on smaller wrists. It also contributes to the versatility of after-market straps because they "look right" as the lugs dont stand out so much right next to the straps.
This watch is a re-edition, reproduction, homage, or what ever you want to call it of the 105.003 "Ed White" which had this 39.7mm case with no crown guards, those straight lugs, and a similar looking bracelet. I personally think this is the best case that Omega made for the Speedmaster, but to each their own.
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Old 25 July 2020, 09:52 AM   #59
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I love it. Especially the case and bracelet. But the price, damn.
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Old 25 July 2020, 10:25 AM   #60
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I love it. Especially the case and bracelet. But the price, damn.
I agree X? too much.

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