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11 December 2018, 06:25 AM | #61 | |
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11 December 2018, 07:31 AM | #62 |
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I think it's probably due to the fact that they never used to remove them. I've bought a few in the past from a big UK group and they didn't take the stickers off, they didn't offer, they just left them on but at that time you could find a SS Sub in the window. So basically what seems to have happened is that now they are doing better than ever they can dictate and do things that they never bothered to do before and they aren't even trying to pass it off as good service by preparing your watch fully on collection. The other annoyance is that there is no consistency or clarity as to whether it's actually a Rolex rule or the AD trying to make you feel even more privileged that they are dealing with you in the first place.
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From what I have been able to gleam from my trusted AD, NONE of these guidelines or practices to curtail flipping are mandatory, they are just suggested / recommended, so it's up to the individual AD's if they wanna actually follow suit or not. This may also mean that depending on who you are and what your relationship w/ AD is, they may treat you differently than the next guy that comes along and buys the same watch. It's all YMMV.
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11 December 2018, 12:33 PM | #65 |
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You must not have read the OP or you didn’t understand it. There is no hype. The question was if the rule stands from Rolex that the AD MUST take the stickers off then how do all these greys have watches with stickers on them for sale?
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After November (some time) all ADs were ordered to take stickers off. It was a recommended guideline before. Now it is mandatory. I don't believe the guideline says ALL stickers...You can peel off the bezel stickers and it would still adhere to the new rules. |
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11 December 2018, 03:05 PM | #67 |
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I don’t understand why there should be this much tension and resistance around AD’s peeling off the stickers.
If your intention is to wear the watch as it is intended, peeling off the stickers is the naturally step. To not do so is like driving a new car off the dealer lot with all the protective film on, would any rational person do that? I highly doubt it. But if your intention is to turn around and flip it for profit, then I see keeping the stickers intact as the natural inclination. |
11 December 2018, 03:38 PM | #68 |
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I’ve purchased about 6 watches this year from US AD’s. I’d say 2 of the 6 came to me with full stickers. I ship them all out of state to avoid taxes.
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Rolex should just let the secondary market be whatever it is going to be. Rolex is the one in charge of the supply side. The grey don't control either side of the market, supply or demand. Why do they try to take the problem Rolex has caused out on the secondary market? |
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As for the fact that grey dealers have watches in stock fully stickered etc ... I personally think its obvious that these watches are sourced directly from AD's ... where else would they come from? Rolex only ship to AD's. its not rocket science. Rolex enforcing sticker removal and withholding cards is pissing against the wind ... it only effects the single watch buyer at the AD, it has absolutely zero impact on the grey, and thats what the Rolex sticker/card fiasco is supposed to be combatting against. Smoke and mirrors.
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What Rolex hasn't thought about is that they've created a new market. Watches with stickers on sell for more than without stickers. We are talking a few hundred bucks different.
Good job on Rolex creating this. (And I know they read this). Back to the drawing board with your micro-management. |
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The underlying reason for dealers selling to Greys OR genuine end users is simple. They want to sell them. I think in general people on forums forget in practice we are talking about a fairly substantial investment and not everyone on the lists can come up with cash. A Daytona is an easy sale we all know that but a Grey taking a Daytona along with a Migauss or a couple of DJs is a different option to the AD. I bought a Batman a couple or three years ago when they had just come out. I asked the AD to put my name down for one. They knew I had bought watches before from them. The reply was “maybe a couple of years.?”. I got it six weeks later. When I queried it, her actual words were “ we want our year end bonus and we have to get stock out of the door, not everyone who wants a watch will actually buy it the day it is offered”. Same story with my 39m Explorer. It came out at Baselworld and I asked two or three ADs about availability. Same story “Put your name down” on about the eighth call the AD said. “ if I had one would you buy it now over the phone?” I did and when I went to pick it up I asked how I was so lucky. The reply was “We have a waiting list for them, the first three people on it wanted to think about it, you rang up and it’s end of Q1 sales and we want the numbers in. Very similar to any other business!
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12 December 2018, 03:34 AM | #76 | |
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It’s that simple. Well stated! |
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12 December 2018, 04:17 AM | #77 |
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Just bought a Tudor yesterday and they removed all stickers. I asked if they were told to do that by Rolex/Tudor and she said yes and the "even had to sign a contract" whatever that means. She did give me the coffin box surprisingly
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12 December 2018, 04:47 AM | #78 |
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given these ADs often need to remodel their stores to have at least an entire wall of ROLEX just to keep their dealer status, i dont blame them. also the sticker policy doesnt bother me. if you want to make the rules, start the next marketing kingpin/watch company yourself
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What did the manager do to send your name to Rolex for registration? I know the sale of the watch is passed to Rolex, but I didn't think the name of the buyer was. |
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They are lying,Like usual.
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12 December 2018, 06:50 AM | #81 |
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When I purchased my Exp II in Norway in August I walked in as a completely ignorant Rolex buyer. I tried it on and chatted for a while as I thought about it. I said I'll take it, gave the Manager my credit card and she processed the sale while another salesperson adjusted the strap. I walked out with everything except stickers in about 20 minutes. The warranty card was registered but the name line was blank. As I was leaving the Manager called out to me reminding me to keep the box and all papers and tags for the future since it makes the watch more valuable. Since my watch and a Milgauss were the only two SS "sport" watches in the case she was probably happy to get rid of it.
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