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oztimelord · 1 June 2008, 04:32 PM

Dear All,

There is a Vintage SS Rolex Double Red Sea-Dweller for sale on ebay in Oz, bidding is moving up. The dial dosn't seem right to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-SS-Ro...QQcmdZViewItem

Your help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rene

2careless · 1 June 2008, 06:05 PM

The dial is indeed strange. This sample here has closed 6 (610m) with a Mark I face.
I thought closed 6 only happens for Mark IV faces.
Need more vintage expert opinions.

P.S. I'm wary of this seller as his stuff are mostly high prices and all very difficult to authenticate.

swatty · 1 June 2008, 07:35 PM

Hi Kai and Rene ,
I saw this one also . Thought it looked OK but where is Steve and Terry when you need them .

Dave S · 1 June 2008, 11:31 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rolex-Double-...QQcmdZViewItem

Another one ebay.au

Opinions?

Dave S · 1 June 2008, 11:33 PM

It's the same one!

Stolen photos - Please report

Dave S · 1 June 2008, 11:59 PM

Second photo stolen from
http://www.watchesinrome.it/scheda.asp?id=126

Terry Newton · 2 June 2008, 12:46 AM

Reported.

Terry Newton

2careless · 2 June 2008, 07:33 AM

Pulled too. So, were there 2 DRSD on offer in ebay.au?
Both from the same person or what? I didn't get a chance to see the second one!

JimSnyder · 2 June 2008, 07:38 AM

You guys are good

Jim

Dave S · 2 June 2008, 04:52 PM

The first listing was from a well know Australian Seller "helomolto" the second was from a seller "johncoleman2008" who had been registered for 1 day with 0 feedback. "johncoleman2008" stole one of photos from "helomolto's" listing and stole a photo from an Italian watch site. I don't know what happened to "helomolto's" listing - it must have been pulled, bidding was over 10K.
However it is relisted http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-SS-Ro...QQcmdZViewItem

jac67 · 2 June 2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave S

The first listing was from a well know Australian Seller "helomolto"

The caseback is WRONG!

This is a correct one.

John.

2careless · 3 June 2008, 08:28 PM

It's still there. Anyone reported?

jac67 · 3 June 2008, 08:35 PM

Hey Kai and others

I don't think this warrants a reporting, as there is not enough information that it is a total fake.

The dial is redone, yes, but the seller has noted this in his listing.

The caseback is altered, which to me is a deal breaker (as well as the dial), but may still be a genuine Rolex caseback.

At the very least, I would send the seller a message indicating my concerns, before any "reporting" is made to ebay.

Just my 2 cents.

John.

2careless · 8 June 2008, 10:30 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370057111539

Well well, this auction is still on and I see someone will lose $14k tomorrow. Now the description says both dial and case are "redone", yet people are still bidding...

jac67 · 8 June 2008, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370057111539

Well well, this auction is still on and I see someone will lose $14k tomorrow. Now the description says both dial and case are "redone", yet people are still bidding...

Yes, I agree Kai............strange.

John.

Terry Newton · 8 June 2008, 01:01 PM

I have reported the sale based upon the disclosure of the redone parts that have been disclosed in small print only. I don't know if E-Bay is going to pull it or not but it is in their hands.

Terry Newton

1 June 2008, 04:32 PM	#1
oztimelord "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Rene Location: Australia Watch: PN 6241 Daytona Posts: 466	Vintage Double Red Alert?? Dear All, There is a Vintage SS Rolex Double Red Sea-Dweller for sale on ebay in Oz, bidding is moving up. The dial dosn't seem right to me. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-SS-Ro...QQcmdZViewItem Your help would be appreciated. Regards Rene

1 June 2008, 11:31 PM	#4
Dave S Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Brisbane, Aust Posts: 3,431	Another one http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rolex-Double-...QQcmdZViewItem Another one ebay.au Opinions?

1 June 2008, 11:33 PM	#5
Dave S Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Brisbane, Aust Posts: 3,431	It's the same one! It's the same one! Stolen photos - Please report Last edited by Dave S; 1 June 2008 at 11:38 PM.. Reason: Spelling

1 June 2008, 11:59 PM	#6
Dave S Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Brisbane, Aust Posts: 3,431	Second photo Second photo stolen from http://www.watchesinrome.it/scheda.asp?id=126 Last edited by Dave S; 2 June 2008 at 12:20 AM.. Reason: Wrong link

2 June 2008, 12:46 AM	#7
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Reported. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

1 June 2008, 06:05 PM	#2
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	The dial is indeed strange. This sample here has closed 6 (610m) with a Mark I face. I thought closed 6 only happens for Mark IV faces. Need more vintage expert opinions. P.S. I'm wary of this seller as his stuff are mostly high prices and all very difficult to authenticate.

1 June 2008, 07:35 PM	#3
swatty 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,406	Hi Kai and Rene , I saw this one also . Thought it looked OK but where is Steve and Terry when you need them .

2 June 2008, 07:33 AM	#8
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	Pulled too. So, were there 2 DRSD on offer in ebay.au? Both from the same person or what? I didn't get a chance to see the second one!

2 June 2008, 07:38 AM	#9
JimSnyder "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Jim Snyder Location: Ohio Watch: Ask me later..... Posts: 7,711	You guys are good Jim

2 June 2008, 04:52 PM	#10
Dave S Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Brisbane, Aust Posts: 3,431	2 Drsd The first listing was from a well know Australian Seller "helomolto" the second was from a seller "johncoleman2008" who had been registered for 1 day with 0 feedback. "johncoleman2008" stole one of photos from "helomolto's" listing and stole a photo from an Italian watch site. I don't know what happened to "helomolto's" listing - it must have been pulled, bidding was over 10K. However it is relisted http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-SS-Ro...QQcmdZViewItem

3 June 2008, 08:28 PM	#12
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	It's still there. Anyone reported?

3 June 2008, 08:35 PM	#13
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	Hey Kai and others I don't think this warrants a reporting, as there is not enough information that it is a total fake. The dial is redone, yes, but the seller has noted this in his listing. The caseback is altered, which to me is a deal breaker (as well as the dial), but may still be a genuine Rolex caseback. At the very least, I would send the seller a message indicating my concerns, before any "reporting" is made to ebay. Just my 2 cents. John.

8 June 2008, 10:30 AM	#14
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370057111539 Well well, this auction is still on and I see someone will lose $14k tomorrow. Now the description says both dial and case are "redone", yet people are still bidding...

8 June 2008, 01:01 PM	#16
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	I have reported the sale based upon the disclosure of the redone parts that have been disclosed in small print only. I don't know if E-Bay is going to pull it or not but it is in their hands. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

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