Treat with extreme prejudice!

[PJ S]

Caveat Emptor, as the saying goes.

One of your own is not all he seems to be – http://www.rolexforums.com/member.php?u=114303

For those who aren't members and therefore unable to access the link – http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...0-Is-a-villain – here's a few highlights from the thread.

Originally Posted by Baden H

It's with a sad heart I post this :-( my first villain post.

I wasn't even going to post this but a couple of forum members said I had too so here it goes.

I purchased the 18k gold longines from this thread two weeks ago
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...-Vintage-watch

We exchanged pm's then mobiles Sayub didn't want paypal and asked for bank transfer I said as he lived 30 miles from me I'd pick it up. Sayub didn't want me to go to his home (quite understandable) so I met up with Sayub in Derby for a coffee and a chat about watches he came across as a very nice guy and quite affluent and wearing his brand new ceramic sub so now fly by night guy here.

I inspected the Longines it was in beautiful condition and the case and dial where perfect watch wound smooth.

I looked at the hall mark yep there was an hall mark sadly I didn't have a knife to remove the case back I presumed all was good. we did the deal and exchanged cash had a look round a few shops and he had too shoot.

When I got home that evening I removed the case back and the movement was really nice no problems there looked at the case back inside it said 9ct Gold! Not 18k!
After finding a magnifier I found the hallmark on the lungs said 9ct too.

Not a problem I called Sayub he said he was very busy studying and he would work something out for me to make up for it I agreed he said he would call me in the morning.

2 days later no call! I had a rethink and tried to call him with no reply so I txt him to say that I would like a refund as I wasn't happy I offered to drive from Nottingham to Derby again to rectify it. No reply.

I sent a second txt last week just asking if he had recieved my txt? No reply

I sent a third yesterday saying I can't believe he has blanked me like this! I said I thought he came across as a decent young man. I asked if he had spent the money and washed his hands of the situation? Yet again no reply?

All this would have took was an offer to pay any difference in the first place which he didn't then he has just ignored my attempts to contact him.
He had no problems answering his phone and txt messages when he wanted a sale!

Lastly on the day I purchased the watch he had told me he had purchased the watch from another member who had the 18k gold bracelet to go with the watch. I contacted that member asking if he still had the 18k gold bracelet to which he messaged back that it was a 9ct gold bracelet? And not 18k?

So did Sayub know all along? I'm saddened and at a loss.

The monetary sums involved are small and to be honest the watch isn't worth too much less I think I'm £30-50 down but that's not the point.

Just recently I sold an omega I hadn't noticed a scratch on the glass, I sold the watch for £375 and paid £40 for STS to replace it for the buyer.
I sold a Rolex datejust last year a few weeks later It developed a fault with a rotor bearing I paid half towards the repair as that's the kind of guy I am.

He hasn't even been on this forum since!

Originally Posted by PhilipK

I also had an unsatisfactory experience with Sayub - probably not sufficient for a Villain post on its own, but perhaps worth recording here.

Earlier this year, I offered a pair of tickets to SalonQP on SC, asking for (but not requiring) a small donation to the fundraiser.

Sayub was the first to respond, so I sent him the etickets along with full instructions on how to access the fundraiser, including the URL, as he had said that he didn't know how to get to it.

A couple of days after SalonQP, I sent Sayub a PM asking how he enjoyed the event. He replied that he had been unable to attend as he had to work that day.

I asked him why he didn't re-offer them on the forum (they were etickets, so just needed to be emailled), and also asked whether he had been able to access the link to the fundraiser. I'm still awaiting a reply.

Originally Posted by Tinker

My experience with zsayub116610 was similar to Baden H's, insofar as Sayub was very pleasant and obviously comes from an affluent family, because he's only 20 and yet has 3 sports Rolexes (a 'Kermit', 'Batman' and ... whatever). He also mentioned, embarrassedly, that he'd "dropped £2k" on an RO he'd sold recently and, when we went into a nearby AD, the staff showed me the £30k+ JLC he's reserved for his 21st birthday next May. (They nearly dropped cork-legged when he said that his best friend, who's in Australia at the moment, wanted one, too.)

At no point did he come across as a crook and, for a Longines that's worth 100 times less than his upcoming birthday present, why should he? He didn't, however, seem to know much about horology. He has watch 'catalogue knowledge', but little else and, when he was in the AD's and there was £150-200k's worth of watches on the table in front of us, he was like the proverbial kid in a candy store.

Something else happened that's perhaps indicative of the kind of confused young person he is. We met in a coffee shop and there were two cups of cappuccino on the table when I arrived. As we left, I noticed he hadn't drunk his and I said so. He replied, "No. I don't like coffee. I don't know why I ordered it".

All may not just be confusion, however. Baden H's information above about the bracelet is worrying.

And, even if Sayub is out of the country now that term's finished at De Montfort University, where he's a Pharmacy student - skiing perhaps or on holiday with his family in India or with his friend in Australia - he can still answer texts & emails and sort out the mess he's left behind.

Originally Posted by Baden H

A few things mentioned here are similar to my experience, he wanted to meet me for coffee but ordered no coffe or any drink he said he didn't drink? He only has knowledge on watches costing £20k plus especially very elaborate features but sadly without any knowledge of what these features are? They just look amazing.

He wanted to go to a big Rolex AD in Deby we get there he was only interested in the most expensive models they had I was very interested in a new Tudor display he lost all interest an announced he'd got to go!

I'm not sure he's a crook just a fantasist that I dont think has managed to grasp the reality that us small folk need the odd £30.

Maybe he borrows off Dady and never has to give back?

I just feel really let down by my judgement if that makes sense? After all he was a polite well educated young man who appeared to study hard.

The strange thing is why someone who has enough money to spend £20k plus on a watch rip me off for £30-40 why would that same lad not pay up a few miesly quid for charity in a fund raiser for a couple of salon tickets?

We are talking small fry?

Bear with me, it gets better.....so don't reply just yet.
For ease of reading, it's probably best to split this over a number of separate posts.

[learningtofly]

Just to add some weight to this, the quotes above are the tip of the iceberg, as will become apparent when the thread develops.

[PJ S]

Thanks Tony.
And on with the show – Act 1, Scene 2....the "explanation and apology".

Originally Posted by CaptainSlow

Could this be the same Z Sayub that Jrpippen had a run in with a few years ago.

See link; http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...-scam-heads-up!

Surely there can't be Two Z Sayubs that live in Derby who are both 'into' watches.

ZSayub40 is his Instagram account.

Originally Posted by ralphy

Is this him? Update: it is the same person.

https://www.facebook.com/sayub.zilkurrnain?fref=ufi

And iWally on TRF.

R

Originally Posted by jrpippen

Just made this post about him on instegram and Twitter.



I'm watchbod on both.

Originally Posted by jrpippen

He's got form on TimeZone and when I had issues and started asking about him there were 4 or five people chatting to me and giving various contact details emails etc. The only constant was the mobile number and the email. I managed to source his home number the old fashioned way.

Best to avoid really. It's not a hanging crime, but he tried to steal money from me. He's not to be trusted.

Originally Posted by Thorien

Thanks OP for highlighting a 'bad egg'.
Amazing how a smallish issue has highlighted quite a few scams that's he tried to perpetrate over quite a period of time.
Shows how useful H&V can be if used as intended.

On another point are those Rolexes pictured above fake then? They look good to me?

Originally Posted by jrpippen

He sold me a replica, then refunded substantially less than Id paid. Radio silence followed and only when I found a home number called his house, spoke to his mum (I thought it was his wife) and threatened to go to the police did he make a refund. (Within minutes!)

I would have reported him had the money not come back.

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

Hi All,

Well, i can understand the frustration by many members here and i would like to clarify that this ordeal occurred because me and my family went on holiday to the USA as my grandmother was alone this christmas, anyway, i didn't have my iPhone with me, only my iPad and hence communication was scarce. To be honest i rarely come on this forum anyway, as i more of a Rolex, Patek and JLC enthusiast and hence why i spend more of my time on TRF.

Thats besides the point,

I sold Baden a Longines watch believing it was 18kt from the original owner who is DEJJL or David. I only bought this longines as a present for my father as he likes vintage watches; i have no clue about anything vintage. Baden told me straight away it was 9kt and i was shocked, and offered to work something out. That friday i had a Mathematics exam where the minimum pass mark is 70% - so i was working my ass of for that. Then on the saturday night, we flew out. I didnt know any of this was happening until i out my sim into my fathers phone a few hours before Christmas (UK time) and i got a message from David stating things are getting messy. I immediately text baden to email me as its more convenient for me, he did so and i replied.

I am extremely sorry for whatever has happened and i did not mean it at all! I guess its put me off vintage altogether but anyways, if Baden wants a refund i am more than happy to offer it and ill just keep the watch as a beater. But if he's happy with it know and wants to come to another solution then i am also more than happy to do so.

And to clear some other matters:

1) The thread on TRF about the Tudor, its my friends and not mine.
2) Thanks JRPIPPEN for stalking/slandering me on IG, calling me all sorts of absurd names and then blocking me, [we all know you're not a saint :)].


I have made mistakes in the past, which i am not happy of but i am no longer that person. And i don't think its right to judge me on those mistakes, I am now 20 and not 17, i am becoming a Healthcare professional (Pharmacist) and i would never do anything bad to harm anyone.

One thing i didn't particularly like was that when i see people telling me i use 'daddys' money to buy my watches! I have my hands in every basket and i do a lot of work whilst studying and i only do it because i love watches and the horology behind them. And thanks Keith for vouching for me and spoiling my Birthday present :D

PS. The BLNR is my parents gift to me and the Duometre will be from me, to me.

Thanks everyone, i am sorry i didn't read 4 pages worth of comments as i have another exam on Monday! But i hope this clarifies everything.

To summarise: Baden can get a refund if he requires or if he's happy ill donate £30 to the fundraiser as discussed in our emails to end this.

Cheers

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

I never sell my watches anyway, i am a collector not a flipper.

Another thing i noticed, in this forum a lot of people are bitter about the fact i can afford these watches, i post on TRF and i get a very welcoming and brilliant responses where everyone is happy for each other.

Very similar to when i posted my AP picture (of when i got it) and a lot of TZers shot me down for that!

I don't need to explain what i do to you, as long as you work hard you can have it all.

Originally Posted by KavKav

Exactly so, no way would I buy anything from this sayub character whatever his name is and by the way I know David (dejjl), he is a gentleman and he is as straight as a bloody die and there is no way he would say a watch is 18ct unless he knew for a fact that it WAS 18ct!

Originally Posted by dejjl

I'll keep this brief. You're a liar, plain and simple. We discussed the watch in Costa in Birmingham and you knew it was 9ct. You even commented on how light in colour the watch was - not a trait of 18ct gold, as you well know.

What really annoys me is the time I spent on the telephone discussing careers in teaching for your girlfriend and my offer for her to visit my school and yet you treat me like this, suggesting that I misled you.

PS. Offer rescinded.

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

1) In our discussion via texts, which i still have. Not once did you mention this was 9kt or 18kt gold. I purely assumed that it was 18kt because you said "its a solid gold" longines, and i would think because of your statement that it was 18kt.
2) Yes, the text messages between ourselves did prove that i said "is the watch white gold or yellow" and you said something like "i am a bad photographer". Again you did not say if it was 9lt or 18kt.
3) I am not saying you misled me, i am saying i didn't ask the right questions and you didn't provide all of the information, being the buyer i should have asked.
4) In total honesty, i would never have purchased the watch if it was 9kt because i don't think of that being of good quality.
5) No matter what you say, i still respect you for the information you provided me. Thanks for everything.

Originally Posted by dejjl

You were categorically told that both the watch and bracelet were 375/1000 9ct gold. Of this, I am 1000% sure. You were absolutely thrilled about the watch but declined the bracelet. When Baden sent me a PM about the availability of the bracelet (which you must have told him about), he was also told it was 9ct gold, which I'm sure he will confirm. By the way, you misinformed Baden that the bracelet was original to the watch, when I had previously told you that it was a generic but period bracelet well suited to the watch. You have now texted me today to say that in the excitement of making your first vintage purchase, you may not have heard me on the gold content. I'm not sure you heard much to be frank!

Sayub, stick to new watches, it's safer for us all.

Goodnight.

Originally Posted by gregory

You obviously didn't even understand a word I said. Or missed my point. Or both.

I think you are a liar, about your profession, your studying, the works.

I think you are a chancer, who got caught up in a forum where smart people post... and got found out.

You are slippery, and only started posting up here to defend yourself after getting flamed.... and if you leave a stink on one watch forum, thankfully, it will probably follow through to the rest of the global watch loving community, as people here are members of forums all over the world.

Idiot.

[petereoin]

Here an interesting link
http://klocksnack.se/threads/scam-alert-zsayub.33866/

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by petereoin

Here an interesting link
http://klocksnack.se/threads/scam-alert-zsayub.33866/

Good it's up there too!

[Igerswis]

Sayub is on my Instagram, not met him in person but he comes across well :/

Shocked to hear this tbh

[learningtofly]

Originally Posted by Igerswis

Sayub is on my Instagram, not met him in person but he comes across well :/

Shocked to hear this tbh

Unfortunately the OP has yet to update the thread, but Sayub has a history (and currently posts) on "rep" sites and has now admitted to selling fakes as authentic watches. A couple of members on TZ-UK were very nearly burned.

[nickb732]

Must admit that I'm shocked. Frequently saw pictures of him at GTG's and he was quite an active member..

[PJ S]

Still seeking forgiveness and protesting innocence.

Originally Posted by MuRph77

He called himself Ahmed on watch talk

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...7-Newbie-alert!

Originally Posted by -Ally-

On facebook his name is Sayub Zilkurrnain and he studies at DeMontford University (allegedly)

Originally Posted by mountmusic

The phone number in the post by RJM25R suggests he is also a plumber by the name of Makhtar Ahmed - http://www.minthomerescue.com/

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Same as on http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...-scam-heads-up! Postcode matches as does certain aspects

Mint Home Rescue in Derby - RatedPeople.com
www.ratedpeople.com/profile/makhtar-ahmed/index
Mint Home Rescue is a Bathroom Specialist, Bricklayer, Builder who is based in DE23 8FD.

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

BTW that was a 100% legit LV which i ended up selling to watch finder, It was NOT a fake!

And i am still waiting on Baden to let me know if he wants the refund or a if i should add £30 to the fundraiser.

Cheers

Originally Posted by burnsey66

Seeing as you're still here, hanging on, any chance you could fit me an outside tap?

Originally Posted by Raffe

So did you own two LVs and sold this as "unwanted present" or was it "on behalf of a friend"?

Boy, you must be thinking the folks around here are pretty thick. £3k for an LV, yeah. :biggrin-new:

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

I didn't have the rolex warranty card with it, and watch finder offered me £3.4k at the time and i accepted it. Little did i know that if i had serviced the LV i would have gotten service papers from RSC and would have made my sale more easier + it would have had papers.

Seriously guys, see it as you may, but I'm not a trying to rip off anyone! Its just turned out i had a made mistakes when i was young, bad mistakes. I know what i say will not make you believe me at all, but i am not a scammer.

Originally Posted by Baden H

Im happy with the watch and happy with £30 to a good cause.

The saddest thing about this whole saga Sayub is when I met you, you came across as a polite and well educated young man and you've ended up looking like Del Boy.

I'm praying you learn from this.

Originally Posted by mountmusic

While you are in explanatory mood, I would love to know the story behind the £20k+ solid gold AP you were selling on TRF a few months ago.

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Found another pic of your gen lv



Fit and finish of the end links is exactly what I'd expect on a £250 replica.......

If watchfinder offered you £3400 why did you try to sell it me for £3000? You clearly state in the pm that they offered you £3000 and you wished you'd accepted it!

The LV from Spain you said........

How do you explain the pearl/insert? Crown guards aren't correct either.......

And the Rehaut/flat 4 combo? You say it's 2008 but they didn't have a Rehaut engraving/flat 4 combination....

So are you a plumber or are you a millionaire student pharmacist?

Or just a fantasist?


Remember kids, don't get high off your own supply!

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

The worst thing is, i didn't know the watches i used to sell were fake and i when i realised i stopped immediately. I'd be lying if it never crossed my mind to do it again, but you all are not gonna believe this, but anyway: It was that years Ramadan where i decided i needed to change and be more God-aware (i know some of you don't believe in god, this is just my story), and that i could sell them, but i wasn't going to because its lying, cheating and morally wrong. So i stopped and invested my money in stocks and thank god it was the best thing i did! I am 20, have a BMW M-sport, 3 Rolexes and put a deposit down for a 116520 for my 21st birthday. I used my time to get into watches for what they actually are and not just as jewellery, I know a lot about many modern brands and its just my view again, but i hate ETA based watches because of the reason they are generic and not 'unique'.

Like i said, it was just a simple and honest mistake me selling at 18kt when it was 9kt.

i probably wont ever buy a vintage watch again.

I just hope everyone accepts my apology and thanks a lot Baden! Im glad you are happy with the watch, and again, I'm sorry it wasn't initially as you expected it.

Cheers

Originally Posted by alexaff

Was the box fake? The finish around where the cushion slots suggests it's a copy? Very poorly finished and certinally not Rolex standard.

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

you guessed it! rolex box from ebay - although i paid £60 for it i believe.

Originally Posted by alexaff

So the box was fake and the bezel aftermarket?

What about the oyster strap?

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Even when you sold three with the same serial numbers to jrpippen, w44nne and someone on wus? You thought they were genuine??!!!
Getting them for £100 each might set the alarms ringing too....

[PJ S]

Act 2 Scene 5 – "wheels off the wagon".

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

box was fake, still had the original LV insert which was included anyway.

The bracelet was genuine.

Originally Posted by RJM25R

And the rehaut with flat 4 datewheel?

And the crownguards???

Explain why you offered it to me £400 less than the price offered by watchfinder???

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

I used to get them from a friend who used to sell them to me, honest to god! i used to buy them for £800 and he said you could sell them for double. Being naive i thought cool ill do it! I was 16 and i didn't have a clue about serial numbers etc.

Originally Posted by RJM25R

Explain how a 2008 Watch with a flat 4 datewheel would have engraved rehaut when they were mutually exclusive designs.

Originally Posted by zsayub116610

datewheel?

Both my LVc and BLNR have flat four date wheels

Originally Posted by RJM25R

If you search Zilkurrnain Sayub on Google the second highest listing is about committing fraud on this very forum.

That's visible to your friends, family, employers, tutors, plumbers.....

Adieu.

Originally Posted by adigra

Amazing thread.

I would say his behaviour is sociopathic. He will not be able to tell the truth or feel any real shame, and definitely no empathy.

Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory

Bullshit.
You are 'iwally' on repgeek (stupidly using the same name as you use on TRF) where you:

• bought a 'noob v3' Submariner
• fitted a 'gen' crystal to it
• bought an LV with 'clone' 3135 movement

No doubt you will reply stating that none of these things happened, that you made these up to provide you with the deep cover you needed to infiltrate the rep site so you could "watch your back" but, you know what, I don't believe a word you say right now.

Note that the purchase of the fake LV was after Ramadan 2014, when you became more "god-aware". I'm an atheist myself but, even to me, bringing religion in to back up your lies is pretty low.

I'm done with this thread now. Baden has a watch he likes. The fundraiser has benefited. There's plenty of evidence left here for anyone in future to judge Sayub's character and it seems futile to wait for him to change. My only hope is that when he resurfaces on this or another watch forum someone quickly makes the link back here.

Originally Posted by omarcomarco

amazing to see all this unfolding from a relatively straightforward complaint by the OP. Good job for posting it up otherwise none of this would have come to light. No smoke without fire.

[PJ S]

Finale.....

Originally Posted by RJM25R

So this is complete coincidence???? Notice the marks on the bracelet.....



"Gen" LV you tried to sell me for £3000





"Modified" fake on repgeek with different insert, your other pseudonym, same scuffs on the bracelet???????

Originally Posted by soundood

http://i.imgur.com/QiB572i.jpg

Originally Posted by fornowagain

Did you see this for sale ad? £24.5K

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=379029



Or maybe this one for $475?

No link for obvious reasons but not hard to find.

Originally Posted by fornowagain

Well he paid £300 and even reviewed it Oct 2013; before a bezel swap.

Originally Posted by soundood

so much for putting replicas behind him, here is a thread from the end of 2013, were he is tampering, and I would say trying to make a fake legit,

http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/sho....php?t=164065&

and here from last year,

http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/sho...d.php?t=173373

Originally Posted by TheFlyingBanana

I have read this thread through and must first congratulate the TZ posse on such a thorough investigation and the exposing of an out and out fraudster.

It is very clear from the information presented that this individual is without morals, and is fundamentally dishonest. His responses to the points raised are nothing other than insulting flim-flam intended to obfuscate the basic fact that he is a con man.

In my experience, nothing this kind of character says can be relied upon - they will simply say whatever they think benefits their personal agenda at that point in time. They can never be trusted, ever. That they continue to insult the intelligence of those who have exposed their deceit comes from the complete lack of respect they have for others.

Liars are liars are liars. Any claims to have turned over a new leaf are almost certainly just more lies.

Originally Posted by Seamaster77

heres a post from 5 days ago !!http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/sho...d.php?t=205390

Originally Posted by fornowagain

He only just sold a fake Audemars Piguet on there last Friday 2/1/15

Originally Posted by -Ally-

That carbon AP he let people try on at a GTG along with his LVc according to his posts on the rolex forum. Imagine having the front to go to a GTG with fake watches, I think this is another sign of mental illness.

LINK ADDED : http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...81#post5329081

Originally Posted by learningtofly

Here's an ironic one.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....00&postcount=5

[bayerische]

Just had a look at the TimeZone thread! WTF. This guy should watch out! Some angry people.
F**king scammer!

[PJ S]

Some of the links in the quoted comments are viewable by non-members, so they might be worth having a read at them, as it'll complete the picture of what sort of person you had (and we do/did too in TZ-UK) in your midst.

[b06tmm]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Some of the links in the quoted comments are viewable by non-members, so they might be worth having a read at them, as it'll complete the picture of what sort of person you had (and we do/did too in TZ-UK) in your midst.

I've been following the links that I am able to read on-and-off all morning and all I have to say is WOW!

Well done sir.

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by petereoin

Here an interesting link
http://klocksnack.se/threads/scam-alert-zsayub.33866/

Suprise suprise.....looks like a scammer

[bayerische]

Perhaps he's now playing with the guy with the fake COMEX I busted recently.

The AP's are scary. Be careful!!!

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by nickb732

Must admit that I'm shocked. Frequently saw pictures of him at GTG's and he was quite an active member..

Can we get some photos up?

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Can we get some photos up?

Would be interesting.

[calj_whyte]

Never trust a man who doesn't like coffee...

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by calj_whyte

Never trust a man who doesn't like coffee...

Or likes Curry for breakfast.

[b06tmm]

Originally Posted by calj_whyte

Never trust a man who doesn't like coffee...

Originally Posted by MonBK

Or likes Curry for breakfast.

Or wears a full Windsor.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Can we get some photos up?

Second post in on #11 – http://i.imgur.com/QiB572i.jpg

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Second post in on #11 – http://i.imgur.com/QiB572i.jpg

Or of the GTG?

[PJ S]

There's none over there, and the thread on here that one of the quotes links to, only shows another member's wrist trying the AP on, or at least that what it appears to be.

I may not have fully understood what OEB was wanting – I thought it was just a photo of what he looks like, so an eye can be kept out for him turning up at any future gatherings.

[-Ally-]

[b06tmm]

What a poseur...

[nickb732]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Can we get some photos up?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=356161&page=2

plenty there ^

Some pictures of his watch in this thread:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=381521

Post #7

Must be a pretty good fake to have fooled so many!

[Old Expat Beast]

Interesting. Quite the interloper.

[learningtofly]

FWIW, the Hulk appears to be a genuine watch, bought here I believe from David SW. No doubt that's why it was allowed to be handled and tried on by others.

The 16610LV was certainly dodgy (and was repeatedly offered for sale with at least a fake bracelet and insert - who knows what else) and there is an admitted history of selling fake watches as authentic. In fact, the AP that was eventually sold via a "rep" forum for $475 just about seals it so far as visual evidence is concerned.That was touted on TZ-UK as genuine, and in fact Sayub started a thread about it, claiming his background in chemistry meant that a "forged carbon" watch was a perfect match for him.

It's all very unsavoury.

[GMTfanatic]

What the hell ... He was a quite engaged Instagram User and I even invited him in our Watches Facebook group and we commented on our pictures a lot!

So that was a lot of text and I might haven't understood everything but,

1. Did Baden became his restitution?
2. So he sold fake watches back when he was 17, then now this thing with "18k" gold
3. His AP is/was a fake?
4. Anything else?