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Old 6 June 2019, 11:57 AM   #1
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Yacht master II - watch & movt check

Im becoming much the watch expert for friends and family but need some feedback on this one


Tried to operate the regatta timer , and the bezel won’t turn from the 5 position to just after the one position to set the timer

So that’s a big red flag for me as this complication I don’t believe has ever been cloned.

Could it be that it’s real and just jammed somehow ?

How does the movt look ?

As always appreciate the feedback




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Old 6 June 2019, 04:04 PM   #2
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Also check the underside of the endlinks , is that a hallmark stamped there , that can’t be right can it?
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Old 6 June 2019, 04:23 PM   #3
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The underside of the lugs do not look right to me. Maybe just the angle of the shot.


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Old 6 June 2019, 04:30 PM   #4
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Looks like the YM II does have some replicas out there... http://www.wristwatchspot.com/tag/yachtmaster-ii/

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Old 6 June 2019, 11:40 PM   #5
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is that gold or everrose gold?

Make note of the hands, certain models came with black hands, not blue hands, and with/without mercedes hands.
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Old 7 June 2019, 12:35 AM   #6
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Movement looks genuine OK

There are no functional fakes of YMII flyback chronograph.

Does the chronograph function work?
When running and you push bottom pusher does BOTh red hands fly back and restart?

As I say movement looks good.
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:21 AM   #7
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Yacht master II - watch & movt check

A couple of other things are off - note the pictures below.

Your pic enlarged:



Rolex’s picture:




Forget the color of the hands, they have been blue before (I can’t tell if yours is blue or white gold).

My exemplar:



But look at the length of the sweep seconds hand. Yours is longer - even older YM-II’s has the sweep just hitting middle of square lume plots.

Lastly the subdial looks wrong on yours.

All of this could be due to the angle of your pictures and age of that YM-II. So that’s why I say have it RSC checked to be sure.

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Old 7 June 2019, 01:24 AM   #8
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Looks like the YM II does have some replicas out there...

But all of them have dead giveaways.



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Old 7 June 2019, 01:28 AM   #9
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A couple of other things are off - note the pictures below.

Your pic enlarged:



Rolex’s picture:




Forget the color of the hands, they have been blue before (I can’t tell if yours is blue or white gold).

My exemplar:



But look at the length of the sweep seconds hand. Yours is longer - even older YM-II’s has the sweep just hitting middle of square lume plots.

Lastly the subdial looks wrong on yours.

All of this could be due to the angle of your pictures and age of that YM-II. So that’s why I say have it RSC checked to be sure.

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Your 1st ROLEX photo is the newer MkII dial with Mercedes hour hand.

The red sweep second hand in OPs photo is same length as mine?

Its not the brst movement photo (not hacked) but from what I can see its genuine.

BUT
Best test is flyback function and that does not need the control bezel turned
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:33 AM   #10
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Your 1st ROLEX photo is the newer MkII dial with Mercedes hour hand.



The red sweep second hand in OPs photo is same length as mine?



Its not the brst movement photo (not hacked) but from what I can see its genuine.



BUT

Best test is flyback function and that does not need the control bezel turned

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Yes I was showing what Rolex has today.

My exemplar pic is the closest to what OP showed. But none of that matters if he can’t get the command ring to work or if the flyback fails to work.




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Old 7 June 2019, 01:35 AM   #11
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AGREED
Turning the "command bezel" is very, very tight, but flyback function will work from where ever the last 10 minute timer was set at
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:53 AM   #12
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I tried turning the bezel from the 5 position towards the 1 , wouldn’t budge , and I gave it some force , the lower pusher clicked in , the upper pusher could not press , unscrewed the crown all there was first position wind , second position adj time

I followed the instructions on how to on you tube , surely the bezel doesn’t need that much pressure to turn it.

One thing I did notice , when i pressed the lower pusher , the regatta hand would make a slight jerk , but not start or reset
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:56 AM   #13
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I tried turning the bezel from the 5 position towards the 1 , wouldn’t budge , and I gave it some force , the lower pusher clicked in , the upper pusher could not press , unscrewed the crown all there was first position wind , second position adj time

I followed the instructions on how to on you tube , surely the bezel doesn’t need that much pressure to turn it.

One thing I did notice , when i pressed the lower pusher , the regatta hand would make a slight jerk , but not start or reset
The command bezel turns ANTI - Clockwise the "5" goes to "9" position.

Top pusher should start sweep second hand!
Bottom only works when counter is running!

crown is functioning correctly based on command bezel NOT being engaged
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Old 7 June 2019, 02:06 AM   #14
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The command bezel turns ANTI - Clockwise the "5" goes to "9" position.

Top pusher should start sweep second hand!
Bottom only works when counter is running!

crown is functioning correctly based on command bezel NOT being engaged
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From the vids I saw , you turn it anti clockwise until the 1 is in the 12 o’clock position and you should hear a click , you then unscrew the crown , the red hand should flip across to 0 and you set the minutes of your count down timer

I tried every damn combination , the complication wasn’t working , either faulty or fake !

No one has addressed my question of those oval markings on the bottom of the end links of the bracelet , are they normally on a Ymii cause from pics I saw on chrono24 - no , I’m thinking the watch is fake.

I’ve lost interest
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Old 7 June 2019, 02:12 AM   #15
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From the vids I saw , you turn it anti clockwise until the 1 is in the 12 o’clock position and you should hear a click , you then unscrew the crown , the red hand should flip across to 0 and you set the minutes of your count down timer

I tried every damn combination , the complication wasn’t working , either faulty or fake !

No one has addressed my question of those oval markings on the bottom of the end links of the bracelet , are they normally on a Ymii cause from pics I saw on chrono24 - no , I’m thinking the watch is fake.

I’ve lost interest
Yes - Anti-Cockwise as you describe
You then must press in bottom pusher for crown to move timer hand.

Movement looks genuine (better picture with watch hacked would confirm) - so I suspect faulty.
ONLY ROLEX service centers are currently allowed to repair this watch - so costly indeed
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I didn’t realise I had one more pic of the movt from a different angle

I’ll be kicking myself if real , as the price was very good

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Still all looks genuine and correct to me.
You can see the column wheel.
Fakes just make an engraved one.
My opinion is genuine movement
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I didn’t realise I had one more pic of the movt from a different angle

I’ll be kicking myself if real , as the price was very good

Are those jewelers marks on the endlinks?
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The hallmarks on the endlinks signify it was originally sold in France.. Check the country code, I bet it's French. It's doubtful that a replica would have this hallmark.
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Yacht master II - watch & movt check

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Yes - Anti-Cockwise as you describe

You then must press in bottom pusher for crown to move timer hand.



Movement looks genuine (better picture with watch hacked would confirm) - so I suspect faulty.

ONLY ROLEX service centers are currently allowed to repair this watch - so costly indeed

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From the vids I saw , you turn it anti clockwise until the 1 is in the 12 o’clock position and you should hear a click , you then unscrew the crown , the red hand should flip across to 0 and you set the minutes of your count down timer



I tried every damn combination , the complication wasn’t working , either faulty or fake !



No one has addressed my question of those oval markings on the bottom of the end links of the bracelet , are they normally on a Ymii cause from pics I saw on chrono24 - no , I’m thinking the watch is fake.



I’ve lost interest


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The hallmarks on the endlinks signify it was originally sold in France.. Check the country code, I bet it's French. It's doubtful that a replica would have this hallmark.


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Are those jewelers marks on the endlinks?


Correct this is a French Import hallmark. The centre of the band is solid gold and some countries require extra hallmarks on importation designating this part is sold gold

France is one of a few countries that continue this requirement.
There were more such as Sweden in the past that required the same.

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This is great info , thanks

So should the bezel be so stiff to get it to the ‘1’ position ?

I followed this video step by step and couldn’t get the bezel to turn , and I applied reasonable force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6svrWHGpSY
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This is great info , thanks

So should the bezel be so stiff to get it to the ‘1’ position ?

I followed this video step by step and couldn’t get the bezel to turn , and I applied reasonable force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6svrWHGpSY
As as have stated the movement is genuine!

Yes the command bezel is very hard to turn, there is a knack to it
BUT
even if you can not turn the bezel the flyback chronograph should work - yours does NOT. The top button is broken as thats not starting the center sweep second hand.
I belive the bottom pusher is functional as you mentioned it does give a "kick" to the timer hand as it should!

So you have a faulty genuine watch
Bur as I mentioned ONLY Rolex Service Centers are currently allowed to repair this model - approved Rolex repairers are NOT

How much will Rolex charge? A lot I suspect!
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Yep top pusher wouldn’t budge , oh well I went in confident that if the regatta timer worked I’d be pretty sure it was real , but then was spooked from the sale when it didn’t.

Oh well onwards and upwards !

Thanks for the replies everyone !
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Yep top pusher wouldn’t budge , oh well I went in confident that if the regatta timer worked I’d be pretty sure it was real , but then was spooked from the sale when it didn’t.

Oh well onwards and upwards !

Thanks for the replies everyone !
Unless you were picking it up at an awesome price , the repair cost may have outweighed the benefits.

That said, its an awesome watch!
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